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Fri, 04 Sep 2020 13:20:44 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20200904104811.b08f24d8f0397e77cef01cbd@aim.com> <20200904181205.78cbb979@archlinux> <96896a75-3b65-1e9b-e7d2-5ddd6cc4b111@kicp.uchicago.edu> <790a3043-5bb9-f70f-3bba-aaf96970cc88@kicp.uchicago.edu> <20200904154419.23c5333b@scorpio.seibercom.net> In-Reply-To: <20200904154419.23c5333b@scorpio.seibercom.net> From: Aryeh Friedman Date: Fri, 4 Sep 2020 16:20:33 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: OT: proof that Linux is brain damaged To: User Questions X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4Bjpvx4WGjz4YK2 X-Spamd-Bar: --- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=jZLfzdkZ; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of aryehfriedman@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::d33 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=aryehfriedman@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.65 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.01)[-1.011]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20161025]; 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In any case, there are those who can solve the most > complex problems in the universe while listening to Johann Sebastian > Bach and those who cannot walk and chew gum at the same time. I think > it is apparent what we are dealing with here. > Since I have Xfce4 running, on the first try, just fine (which does require linuxisms) then I am pretty sure you're not referring to me. But, if you were I would have to ask why give an answer that begs the question of why do jerks always have to answer questions? And if you read the details of the document you will see that the issue was a generic issue dealing with headerless login (needing to find an alternative workalike for systemd-logind). There is no evidence anywhere that issue was resolved without having to find such a workaround that I can find. Also a google search for "systemd" vs. freebsd returns many articles about the sure chaos caused by > > -- > Jerry > -- Aryeh M. Friedman, Lead Developer, http://www.PetiteCloud.org