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Date:      Sat, 19 Mar 2005 11:07:02 -0800
From:      "Bruce A. Mah" <bmah@freebsd.org>
To:        Adam Weinberger <adamw@freebsd.org>
Cc:        Murray Stokely <murray@freebsdmall.com>
Subject:   Re: fam
Message-ID:  <1111259222.97034.60.camel@tomcat.kitchenlab.org>
In-Reply-To: <423C72BC.6050209@FreeBSD.org>
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If memory serves me right, Adam Weinberger wrote:

> The upgrade script always updated the non-GNOME out-of-date ports. What=20
> end up happening was that people who had never run 'pkgdb -F' in their=20
> life were winding up with massive inconsistencies in the package=20
> database, and portupgrade would fall over on itself. The upgrade script=20
> now forcibly rebuilds the package database at the beginning.
>=20
> A plethora of users were certainly experiencing that problem. But, with=20
> version 2.10-3 of the gnome_upgrade.sh script (the one currently on the=20
> website), that problem is resolved *nod*
>=20
> Since that update, actually, bug reports have ceased. Which is neat.

OK, I understand now.  Thanks a lot for clarifying.

BTW, I should mention that when *I* did the upgrade from GNOME 2.8,
everything worked pretty well, thanks to everyone's hard work on this.
I would have said "worked perfectly", except that my workstation decided
that it wanted to panic in the middle of the upgrade.  :-p

> >>>2.  GNOME includes support for the File Alteration Monitor (devel/fam)
> >>>by default, in order to improve the GNOME desktop's ability to respond
> >>>to files being added, deleted, or modified by other programs.  To take
> >>>advantage of this functionality, FAM must be enabled in inetd.conf(5).
> >>>More information can be found in ports/devel/fam/pkg-message.
> >>
> >>I have no problem with that message, but it's in no way new news.=20
> >>Nautilus has had fam support since at least 2.0.
> >=20
> >=20
> > OK, forget it then.
>=20
> Given the message that said that KDE now supports fam as well, maybe an=20
> entry WOULD be a good thing? Something somewhere that says "Hey, GNOME=20
> and KDE users: enable FAM for a gooder desktop experience!"

Hmmm...you might have a good point.  Not sure what's a good way to word
that yet.

> I'm not familiar with the security implications of fam (it uses RPC, so=20
> I assume it's got Issues[tm]) [and I think it was wpaul who told me=20
> "GNOME users have a lot more than fam to worry about for security"], but=20
> maybe we should make fam auto-enable itself, and make fam support the=20
> default for the nautilus backend?

If it's decided that it should run from inetd, then there's the
additional requirement of setting inetd_enable in rc.conf.  (e.g. I
wasn't running inetd until I needed to enable it for fam.)  I'm not sure
if there is a precedent for doing that or not.

Bruce.


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