From owner-freebsd-questions Mon Nov 1 14:34:48 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from yeti.host4u.net (yeti.host4u.net [209.150.128.46]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3684314A0E for ; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 14:34:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from DNobles@dnobles.com) Received: from arl_6884 ([166.41.253.40]) by yeti.host4u.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA26247 for ; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 16:34:31 -0600 From: "David Nobles" To: Subject: RE: "easy installation"!!!!! yeah right Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 17:35:35 -0500 Message-ID: <00a401bf24b9$6a1b58b0$28fd29a6@arl_6884.mcit.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <86zowyza14.fsf@localhost.hell.gr> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Let me try this again. I'm not advocating a point and click FreeBSD. My choice of the phrase "Plug n Play" was unfortunate. Give me a script, rpm whatever you want to call it that will get me the basic core up and running so I can start learning. I'm not opposed to reading, tinkering, etc. but simply can devote a large chunk of time nightly to this right now. Give me a running basic system and I'll spend an hour a night figuring things out. Kinda hard tune a car, let alone become a mechanic if the car doesn't have an engine. It's not that I haven't tried. I've try installing FreeBSD and it wouldn't recognize my CD-ROM. Changed it from slave to master and now it won't recognize the floppy so I've actually backpedaled. This list is great and I'd love to try the many things I'm reading about but I seem to be stuck in neutral. Just my opinion for what it's worth. David Nobles (DNobles@dnobles.com) -----Original Message----- From: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG [mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Giorgos Keramidas Sent: Monday, November 01, 1999 7:12 AM To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: "easy installation"!!!!! yeah right "Duke Normandin" <01031149@3web.net> writes: > Unfortunately, it's ALL a question of marketing and PR. And how far into the ease-of-use thing one will get to go, before all things start to get more stupid than fast or stable. I am not suggesting that anyone is stupid for using this OS or the other, but I truly believe that it's difficult to make a "program", in the general sense of the word, to be both one-click-easy and stable as a rock. Then again, it might be that I am a lousy programmer. > The proof is staring us all in the face --- a marginal product > (windoze vis-a-vis FBSD) has made it huge worlwide. Everything depends on what target-group one has. Windows are aiming to the "newbie" masses, whose motto is "just get my work done" (a fairly long discussion of the subject might prove that in the long run they *don't* get their job done, but that's another thing). Windows has managed to convince a large crowd that they are easy to use, just because they have a point-and-click interface. And MS was truly great in using that marketting thing to make this happen. > Linux is making huge headway. Linux is in a fuzzy state, and there is not a common consensus as to "which users are we aiming to?" An operating system and assorted tools that aim to both the SA folks and the average John Newbie user is very difficult to make. > FBSD will *never* evangelise and convert the masses unless it does > likewise -- but better. The question is: do we *want* the masses to run FreeBSD? And I really mean it. FreeBSD is great for me, but I was lucky enough to learn SunOS 4.3 on a VT-100 terminal, long before I got my hands on any DOS-based computer. Some things might come naturally to me, but to the masses... well, I don't know. > Here's a golden opportunity to take the wind out of both Windoze and > Linux's sails. You're probably on the wrong path of the source, Luke. Trying to take the "wind" of others sails is not the way a Jendi knight is supposed to live for. We're not using and/ror contributing to FreeBSD because we want it to overhaul and destroy Windows, or Linux for that matter. We're using FreeBSD because we like those little details that make the difference. You got to love Unix to be able to use FreBSD effectively :-) -- Giorgos Keramidas, "What we have to learn to do, we learn by doing." [Aristotle] To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message