From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 23 13:42:44 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9738D1065675 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 2010 13:42:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dkelly@Grumpy.DynDNS.org) Received: from amavis-smtp.knology.net (amavis-smtp.knology.net [75.76.199.6]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F7D18FC20 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 2010 13:42:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (amavis-smtp [127.0.0.1]) by amavis-smtp.knology.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54B8188980; Mon, 23 Aug 2010 09:42:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp12.knology.net ([75.76.199.9]) by localhost (amavis-smtp.knology.net [75.76.199.6]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id fDkp8A5Vapjt; Mon, 23 Aug 2010 09:42:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Grumpy.DynDNS.org (unknown [24.42.224.110]) by smtp12.knology.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 228895200031; Mon, 23 Aug 2010 09:42:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: by Grumpy.DynDNS.org (Postfix, from userid 928) id 050D028435; Mon, 23 Aug 2010 08:42:40 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2010 08:42:39 -0500 From: David Kelly To: Bob Hall , freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Message-ID: <20100823134239.GA19094@Grumpy.DynDNS.org> References: <008c01cb425a$2603bc60$720b3520$@com> <20100823041259.GA37467@stainmore> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20100823041259.GA37467@stainmore> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Cc: Subject: Re: Is this bunk. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: FreeBSD-Questions@FreeBSD.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2010 13:42:44 -0000 On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 12:12:59AM -0400, Bob Hall wrote: > On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 01:25:34AM +0100, Garry wrote: > > Mac OS X is basically BSD that's been appleised (serious vendor > > lock-in), they do give a little back to BSDs, but have made sure > > that BSDs can't get much off of them, but they can get a lot out of > > BSD. > > If the kernel is the basis of an OS, then OS X is basically the Mach > kernel. Kirk McKusick of FFS fame has been quoted as saying to the effect, "The difference between Linux and BSD is that all BSDs have the same userland but different kernels. All Linuxes have the same kernel but differing userlands." > The userland part of early versions of OS X borrowed heavily from > NetBSD, but much of this has been replaced with FreeBSD in later > version. Or so I'm told. What I've seen of it its been primarily FreeBSD from the start. There are also a number of FreeBSD device drivers in MacOS X, not the least of which is fxp. The irony of that is Apple has never shipped an Intel based NIC. Or at least not for years after fxp was included. The fxp man page existed in earlier MacOS X but not in 10.6.4. NICs supported by fxp were favorites of Jordan Hubbard and other FreeBSD'ers now working for Apple. -- David Kelly N4HHE, dkelly@HiWAAY.net ======================================================================== Whom computers would destroy, they must first drive mad.