From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Mar 18 19:54:26 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from minubian.houabg.com (minubian.houabg.com [206.109.247.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0396F14F77 for ; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 19:54:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dchapman@houabg.com) Received: from houcbs2.houabg.com (HOUABG.COM [206.109.247.20]) by minubian.houabg.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA17987 for ; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 22:05:55 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from dchapman@houabg.com) Received: from sdn-ar-003txhousP306.dialsprint.net by houcbs2.houabg.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.0.1457.7) id GWAQK2Z9; Thu, 18 Mar 1999 22:03:04 -0600 Message-ID: <014c01be71bc$84bb2480$0300a8c0@dwcjr.houabg.com> From: "David W. Chapman Jr." To: Subject: Confusion Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 21:56:45 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0140_01BE718A.3725C400" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0140_01BE718A.3725C400 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'm going to have to be on Jordan's side on this one. If you are going = to invest in an operating system that you need to rely on, you should do a little research on it first. -----Original Message----- From: Michael E. Mercer To: Jordan K. Hubbard Cc: me@T-F-I.freeserve.co.uk ; freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Thursday, March 18, 1999 9:44 PM Subject: Re: Confusion >All, > >I come from a perspective of both sides. I know a little about >FreeBSD because I subscribe to mailing-lists and try to keep >up with FreeBSD current. > >BUT I agree with the consumers side in this. From what you stated >below, 'From the README.TXT' implies the consumer already bought >the DISKS or whatever. Also with the consumers point of view, >the consumer would like to know what they have in their hands >before they get it. My arguments here are weak, I know, and I don't >really want to get into a battle here. This is my $.02 worth. > >Later >Michael Mercer > > >"Jordan K. Hubbard" wrote: >> >> > I've not actually seen the FBSD disks in the shops yet, but I'm = sure >> > it won't be long before they are available that way. Nowhere (on my >> > disk set at least) does it mention the above quote. In fact it says >> > ``If you want stable networking and a powerful development >> > environment, FreeBSD is the Operating system for you''. >> >> You just haven't looked very carefully. ;) From the README.TXT >> in 3.0-RELEASE: >> >> TARGET AUDIENCE: >> ---------------- >> This release is aimed primarily at early-adopters and the various >> other folks who want to get on board with 3.0 and are willing to deal >> with the various down-sides of a "dot-zero" release. We have = naturally >> done our best to ensure that 3.0 performs as advertised but, as the >> first release on a branch which has seen some very radical changes >> from 2.2.x (SMP, ELF, new boot blocks, many kernel changes, etc), = it's >> also very new technology and will require at least one more release >> along the 3.0 branch before it's ready for "production" purposes. >> This is one of the reasons why the 2.2.x branch will be continuing >> into November, with the scheduled release of 2.2.8, and possibly a = bit >> beyond. >> >> If you're both technically proficient and know exactly what you're >> getting into here (e.g. you've been following -current) then 3.0 is >> probably for you. If you're more interested in doing business with >> FreeBSD than in playing with the cutting edge of technology, however, >> then 2.2.x is almost certainly your best bet. >> >> I'd say it's more than adequately made clear, and anyone failing to >> heed the above warnings deserves, to be somewhat brutal about it, >> exactly what they get. If you're the type to pick up guns and aim >> them at your head, we can't stop you, we can only tell you not to do >> so (as above). Those who refuse to read the README.TXT file at all >> are in the same boat. >> >> - Jordan >> >> To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >> with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ------- We are Micro$oft, you will be assimilated.. your technological weakness will be added to our own.. resistance is Futile! ------=_NextPart_000_0140_01BE718A.3725C400 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I'm going to have to be on Jordan's side on this one.  If you = are=20 going to
invest in an operating system that you need to rely on, you = should=20 do a
little research on it first.


-----Original=20 Message-----
From: Michael E. Mercer <mmercer@ipass.net>
To: = Jordan K.=20 Hubbard <jkh@zippy.cdrom.com>
Cc: = me@T-F-I.freeserve.co.uk = <me@T-F-I.freeserve.co.uk>= ;
freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG= <freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG= >
Date:=20 Thursday, March 18, 1999 9:44 PM
Subject: Re:=20 Confusion


>All,
>
>I come from a perspective = of both=20 sides. I know a little about
>FreeBSD because I subscribe to = mailing-lists=20 and try to keep
>up with FreeBSD current.
>
>BUT I = agree with=20 the consumers side in this. From what you stated
>below, 'From the = README.TXT' implies the consumer already bought
>the DISKS or = whatever.=20 Also with the consumers point of view,
>the consumer would like to = know=20 what they have in their hands
>before they get it. My = arguments  here=20 are weak, I know, and I don't
>really want to get into a battle = here. This=20 is my $.02 worth.
>
>Later
>Michael=20 Mercer
>
>
>"Jordan K. Hubbard"=20 wrote:
>>
>> > I've not actually seen the FBSD = disks in the=20 shops yet, but I'm sure
>> > it won't be long before they = are=20 available that way. Nowhere (on my
>> > disk set at least) = does it=20 mention the above quote. In fact it says
>> > ``If you want = stable=20 networking and a powerful development
>> > environment, = FreeBSD is=20 the Operating system for you''.
>>
>> You just haven't = looked=20 very carefully. ;)  From the README.TXT
>> in=20 3.0-RELEASE:
>>
>> TARGET AUDIENCE:
>>=20 ----------------
>> This release is aimed primarily at = early-adopters=20 and the various
>> other folks who want to get on board with = 3.0 and=20 are willing to deal
>> with the various down-sides of a=20 "dot-zero" release.  We have naturally
>> done = our best=20 to ensure that 3.0 performs as advertised but, as the
>> first = release=20 on a branch which has seen some very radical changes
>> from = 2.2.x=20 (SMP, ELF, new boot blocks, many kernel changes, etc), it's
>> = also=20 very new technology and will require at least one more = release
>> along=20 the 3.0 branch before it's ready for "production"=20 purposes.
>> This is one of the reasons why the 2.2.x branch = will be=20 continuing
>> into November, with the scheduled release of = 2.2.8, and=20 possibly a bit
>> beyond.
>>
>> If you're = both=20 technically proficient and know exactly what you're
>> getting = into=20 here (e.g. you've been following -current) then 3.0 is
>> = probably for=20 you.  If you're more interested in doing business with
>> = FreeBSD=20 than in playing with the cutting edge of technology, = however,
>> then=20 2.2.x is almost certainly your best bet.
>>
>> I'd say = it's=20 more than adequately made clear, and anyone failing to
>> heed = the=20 above warnings deserves, to be somewhat brutal about it,
>> = exactly=20 what they get.  If you're the type to pick up guns and = aim
>> them=20 at your head, we can't stop you, we can only tell you not to = do
>> so=20 (as above).  Those who refuse to read the README.TXT file at=20 all
>> are in the same boat.
>>
>> -=20 Jordan
>>
>> To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org
>&g= t; with=20 "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the=20 message
>
>
>To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org
>wi= th=20 "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the = message
 
 

------------------------------------------------------------= --------------------
We=20 are Micro$oft, you will be assimilated..
your technological weakness = will be=20 added to our own..
resistance is Futile!
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