From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Jun 27 06:15:44 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8164B15DBB77 for ; Thu, 27 Jun 2019 06:15:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.131]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "mout.kundenserver.de", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass Class 2 CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 988B270188 for ; Thu, 27 Jun 2019 06:15:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de ([188.103.163.228]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue011 [212.227.15.167]) with ESMTPA (Nemesis) id 1Mbzdn-1iHcus29xn-00dT1t; Thu, 27 Jun 2019 08:15:21 +0200 Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2019 08:15:18 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Alejandro Imass Cc: Allen Schaaf , FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: I've got a major question... 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And FreeBSD > > is actually a great foundation to achieve this. > > > > > Agreed for the server side, but FreeBSD may not be the right choice for > desktop replacement of Windows. Depends. In the past, I have abolished many installations of "Windows" with Linux and FreeBSD, and both users and administrators were happy with it. Even the beancounters expressed their joy for a decrease in TCO. ;-) > From what I've read so far, most of the core systems and processes run on > external systems and there is a lot of clerical work done in local > workstations, so it sounds more like a direct Windows to Linux migration > project where probably Canonical/Ubuntu would be a better fit than FreeBSD: > > https://ubuntu.com/desktop > https://ubuntu.com/support > https://canonical.com/services > > I think Canonical provides assessment and services (and/or partners) to > help with the migration and for support. Yes, this is is important where you need to involve external support. Luckily, I hardly deal with such settings, so my experience there is is limited. For what _I_ do, support is usually internal to the organisation. The migration was, in most cases, much easier than you might imagine: Preparations included a replication of "look and feel", while leaving out the disadvantages and nonsense "Windows" forces upon its users. Some users even came from a technical background with Linux and Solaris experience and would immediately recognize everything. A few changes in naming, optimization (!) of processes - "work smart, not hard" instead of "he who sits the longest time in the office is the smartest employee and deserves a promotion" -, and finally a good integration with external services. So from the "what we do", nothing changed for the users, just the "how we do it" became much more comfortable for them. The administrators also were happy as they now had convenient tools for dealing with possible troubleshooting, but also the "mundane tasks" became a lot easier and could finally be automated to a reasonable point. I know, this is a very individual point of view and experience, but as you can see: It _is_ possible, and it starts with the right decision. :-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ...