From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Jul 22 23:28:43 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id XAA27691 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 22 Jul 1997 23:28:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from news1.gtn.com (news1.gtn.com [192.109.159.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA27686 for ; Tue, 22 Jul 1997 23:28:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by news1.gtn.com (8.7.2/8.7.2) with UUCP id IAA22005; Wed, 23 Jul 1997 08:15:22 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from andreas@localhost) by klemm.gtn.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) id HAA04980; Wed, 23 Jul 1997 07:59:42 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <19970723075942.03679@gtn.com> Date: Wed, 23 Jul 1997 07:59:42 +0200 From: Andreas Klemm To: Nate Williams Cc: Warner Losh , Terry Lambert , sthaug@nethelp.no, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: sendmail complains about being unable to write his pid file References: <199707212106.OAA11898@phaeton.artisoft.com> <199707212214.QAA02162@rocky.mt.sri.com> <19970722073711.20412@gtn.com> <199707221417.IAA04808@rocky.mt.sri.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.79 In-Reply-To: <199707221417.IAA04808@rocky.mt.sri.com>; from Nate Williams on Tue, Jul 22, 1997 at 08:17:00AM -0600 X-Disclaimer: A free society is one where it is safe to be unpopular X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.0-CURRENT SMP Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, Jul 22, 1997 at 08:17:00AM -0600, Nate Williams wrote: > > > > Files owned by root are harder to change via NFS.... > > > > > > Ahh, you said the dirty word, NFS. NFS stands for 'No Freaking > > > Security', so if you're using NFS, you've already given up any chance of > > > security. > ... > > Or are you arguing, there is no reason to make it any better > > secure, by changing file permissions, because you think it's > > insecure(tm) ?! ;-)) > > Yep. Changing the locks on the back-door of your house while leaving > the front-door wide open is a false sense of security. Well, if the back door is cloced you can concentrate on the front-door ;-) -- Andreas Klemm | klemm.gtn.com - powered by Symmetric MultiProcessor FreeBSD http://www.freebsd.org/~fsmp/SMP/SMP.html http://www.freebsd.org/~fsmp/SMP/benches.html