From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 12 15:56:35 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: current@FreeBSD.org Delivered-To: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9431016A41F for ; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 15:56:35 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from glebius@FreeBSD.org) Received: from cell.sick.ru (cell.sick.ru [217.72.144.68]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3272243DA9 for ; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 15:55:53 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from glebius@FreeBSD.org) Received: from cell.sick.ru (glebius@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by cell.sick.ru (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0CFtiar082549 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 12 Jan 2006 18:55:44 +0300 (MSK) (envelope-from glebius@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from glebius@localhost) by cell.sick.ru (8.13.3/8.13.1/Submit) id k0CFth4U082548; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 18:55:43 +0300 (MSK) (envelope-from glebius@FreeBSD.org) X-Authentication-Warning: cell.sick.ru: glebius set sender to glebius@FreeBSD.org using -f Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 18:55:43 +0300 From: Gleb Smirnoff To: Eric Anderson Message-ID: <20060112155543.GY57606@FreeBSD.org> References: <43A266E5.3080103@samsco.org> <200601062220.13417.doconnor@gsoft.com.au> <20060112073733.GG84964@svcolo.com> <200601122112.13347.doconnor@gsoft.com.au> <43C6560A.8020200@centtech.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <43C6560A.8020200@centtech.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6i Cc: current Subject: Re: Fast releases demand binary updates.. (Was: Release schedule for 2006 ) X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 15:56:35 -0000 Eric, On Thu, Jan 12, 2006 at 07:13:46AM -0600, Eric Anderson wrote: E> That's true, if you can find a committer willing to help - and I think E> that's the issue. I've tried numerous times to contact committers of E> certain areas, asking quick questions, or things like 'if I build this, E> would it be comittable?' - with about 80% of the time receiving no E> response. Now, I'm not complaining, or claiming they should reply - E> they are volunteers and already busy doing their regular life stuff in E> addition to the FreeBSD code they contribute. I'm just mentioning it as E> a data point, that it is pretty hard to find a committer willing to E> mentor someone, or at a minimum, give them pointers. The -hackers list E> is excellent as far as answering most technical questions (rapidly!), E> but in the end, it is pretty difficult to find a committer to listen to E> you, unless you already have patches ready to roll, since that takes E> less time of course. First you should to check whether given person is active now in CVS and/or mailing lists. If he is not, then you have a lesser chance to get answer. If he is active, then don't hesitate to ask for help. And don't be afraid to send a reminded, if discussion freezes. And don't forget that email goblins can eat your email. This is quite often a reason for "ignoring", at least for myself. E> Maybe, on the FreeBSD developers page, we could have a list of E> categories and mentors for those categories for those willing to work on E> code to contact with questions, etc. Then committers could volunteer as E> a mentor for a category they enjoy.. Or is it enough to just post to E> -hackers asking 'anyone want to mentor me?' ? -- Totus tuus, Glebius. GLEBIUS-RIPN GLEB-RIPE