From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 4 19:41:13 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D324C10656DD for ; Tue, 4 Aug 2009 19:41:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wxs@atarininja.org) Received: from syn.atarininja.org (syn.csh.rit.edu [129.21.60.158]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA63F8FC19 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 2009 19:41:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wxs@atarininja.org) Received: by syn.atarininja.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id E19F65C2E; Tue, 4 Aug 2009 15:41:12 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 15:41:12 -0400 From: Wesley Shields To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20090804194112.GA13560@atarininja.org> References: <20090706014719.GG11993@lonesome.com> <070151759cb2aacd36a14eb4b318a435@xs4all.nl> <20090716181711.GC90253@comcast.net> <36957fedc04d840595162bb026a8ec62@xs4all.nl> <20090801114833.GA23826@lonesome.com> <83e5fb980908040459k2e533ab4o2d23b229f98b8ace@mail.gmail.com> <4A785310.6070109@FreeBSD.org> <83e5fb980908040921ua7c5ffavff8cee71a9fa7824@mail.gmail.com> <20090804185203.GB4339@comcast.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20090804185203.GB4339@comcast.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) Subject: Re: status of FreeBSD ports you maintain as of 20090705 X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 04 Aug 2009 19:41:14 -0000 On Tue, Aug 04, 2009 at 11:52:03AM -0700, Charlie Kester wrote: > On Tue 04 Aug 2009 at 09:21:07 PDT Diego Depaoli wrote: > >2009/8/4 Doug Barton : > >> Diego Depaoli wrote: > >>> There are too many ports and too few people who care them. > >>> IMHO the options are: > >>> - decrease the number of ports > >> We trim dead/useless ports all the time. > >>> - increase the number of ?volunteers/committers/testers... > >> This is the only valid answer for FreeBSD. > >How? I think your following comment (even smiled) isn't the right > >starting point. > > > >>> - switch to a multi-level solution (e.g. Archlinux). > >> In DiegoBSD you should feel free to use any solution you think is > >> useful. :) > >Please look at > >http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=ports/134443 > >Ok, I agree, is an useless port, but 3 months without further notices > >are enough to demotivate any volunteer. I've gone ahead and grabbed this PR. I will get to it when time permits (I've currently got a lot on my plate so please be patient). > I've been a maintainer since the beginning of this year, and I've yet to > have any of my updates go unnoticed for that long. I suspect that your > PR is the exception rather than the rule. I don't know if it's true or not but I certainly agree with you here. > But it does suggest the need for more guidance on how maintainers can > work effectively with the committers. What can we do to help streamline > the process? What sort of things create extra, unnecessary work for > committers? Submitting PRs in the proper format and that need no extra work is the best. Unfortunately knowing when an update is done is not something that one intuitively knows; it comes with practice. Paying attention to what you submitted compared to what got committed is a good way to find out if you made any mistakes. Talking to the committers (we don't bite, I promise) also helps. The IRC channels are documented on the wiki and are a great source of getting help with things. Another great resource on how to submit good PRs is the porter's handbook[1]. It covers a lot of things in detail that can help your PR handled get handled quickly and easily. > If a PR doesn't get picked up within a week, it doesn't seem to be > showing up on the committers' scans when they're looking for something > to do. Perhaps they should fix their scans, but perhaps the maintainer > should post a message here, asking for someone to look at the PR? I've > seen messages like that in the past, and the response has always been > that one of the committers volunteers to take care of it. Yes, if a PR goes unclaimed for some period of time please feel free to ask here for someone to take a look at it. -- WXS [1]: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/books/porters-handbook/