From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Dec 10 2:20:32 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from stinky.akitanet.co.uk (akita-14.dsl.easynet.co.uk [217.206.114.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DD8837B417 for ; Mon, 10 Dec 2001 02:20:26 -0800 (PST) Received: (from paul@localhost) by stinky.akitanet.co.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id fBAAKMx00420 for chat@freebsd.org; Mon, 10 Dec 2001 10:20:22 GMT (envelope-from paul) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Paul Robinson To: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: A breath of fresh air.. Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 10:20:21 +0000 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] References: <0112071641320B.01380@stinky.akitanet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <0112071641320B.01380@stinky.akitanet.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01121010202100.00345@stinky.akitanet.co.uk> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Friday 07 December 2001 4:41 pm, Paul Robinson wrote: > OK, so we're all now sick of the 'Feeding the Troll' thread and although > this is kind of related, hopefully we won't end up in the same hell that > thread led to. If you don't like this (and you should like it - if you're a > reasonable person, anyway), flame me personally. :-) Well, that warning didn't go down very well did it? Look, it was an interesting balanced article on how some people just like the simpler tools rather than command-line tools that come with Linux distros. My hope in posting it was to try and create a bit of discussion around how to make FreeBSD a nicer environment to learn and use Unix in. My long-term hope was that we could look to helping -doc create perhaps a second handbook from a user's perspective that just gets people up and running and sending their e-mail without having to resort to the 'normal techniques' we would use. Instead, we've ended up with the ressurection of a private argument between a relatively small group of people. I can only apologise to the list for believing that certain people would act in an adult manner and take their personal arguments off-list. I don't enjoy walking in on a Monday morning to find 150+ mails all from what seems to be the same three or four people either. *sigh* If being a 'mature' OS means that the mailing lists turn into a place for personal vendettas ('I want to play RMS - you played him last time!') and the noise gets as bad as slashdot, perhaps we don't want to make the OS easy to use and we should just drop -current and go back to 3.x-STABLE. :-) -- Paul Robinson To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message