From owner-cvs-all@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 29 06:07:52 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: cvs-all@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0488416A4CF for ; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 06:07:52 +0000 (GMT) Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.205]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBEEE43D55 for ; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 06:07:45 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from leafy7382@gmail.com) Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 34so141678rns for ; Sun, 28 Nov 2004 22:07:45 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=t4cTJTSg6r/gwtxU6KoBQidtN1d9127I4+B+LQL6cYUhS898SYr+SZp936UM4SWeBlH86HmeqJmKaqSUt4vF+WVJ8G824WZBdJQG9ryjJ/xGW0Qa6kPD1HBTKydcpCd022f4u+rVHLWtdgTSzrl4SJthPWtY5QVAe6mjA9p8DIY= Received: by 10.38.179.40 with SMTP id b40mr985560rnf; Sun, 28 Nov 2004 22:07:45 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.38.8.31 with HTTP; Sun, 28 Nov 2004 22:07:45 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 14:07:45 +0800 From: Jiawei Ye To: Garance A Drosihn In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <41AA86D1.7070105@freebsd.org> <20041128.194040.04241039.imp@bsdimp.com> <41AA904F.708@freebsd.org> <20041128.200206.114580739.imp@bsdimp.com> cc: src-committers@freebsd.org cc: cvs-src@freebsd.org cc: scottl@freebsd.org cc: cvs-all@freebsd.org cc: davidxu@freebsd.org cc: "M. Warner Losh" Subject: Re: cvs commit: src/sys/boot/i386/loader Makefile loader.rc X-BeenThere: cvs-all@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Jiawei Ye List-Id: CVS commit messages for the entire tree List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 06:07:52 -0000 On Sun, 28 Nov 2004 23:53:38 -0500, Garance A Drosihn wrote: > At 8:02 PM -0700 11/28/04, M. Warner Losh wrote: > > > >In message: <41AA904F.708@freebsd.org> > > Scott Long writes: > >: M. Warner Losh wrote: > >: > In message: <41AA86D1.7070105@freebsd.org> > >: > Scott Long writes: > >: > : For those who think that ease-of-use is important, please > >: > : accept my apologies. > >: > > >: > One could easily have a 'safeboot' command, which would disable > >: > all the things that the safe boot menu item used to do. > >: > > >: > Warner > >: > >: safeboot isn't the same as 'disable acpi'. It was actually quite > >: useful to disable ACPI but still leave ATA-DMA and SMP enabled. > > > >Agreed. A few wrappers would go a long way is all I'm saying.. > > A few wrappers would, in my opinion, be irrelevant. By the time > someone tracks down what wrapper to type in, they might as well track > down what full-blown commands to type in. The menu was an advantage > when a user just installed some new kernel, and now their machine is > having problems. That is not a good time to go reading web or man > pages to try to figure out what magic words *might* be worth typing in. > I admit that I would prefer a smaller (quicker-to-display) menu, but > completely removing the menu seems (to me) to be a step backwards. > > However, I do notice that few people have objected to the menu being > removed, so I guess I'll just leave the topic alone. But I will note > that most users probably won't realize this change has even happened > until their next clean-install of some future release... > > -- > Garance Alistair Drosehn = gad@gilead.netel.rpi.edu > Senior Systems Programmer or gad@freebsd.org > Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute or drosih@rpi.edu > > > Actually I do feel sorry to see this commit message. It saved my ass a few days ago with the acpi_link change with just one key pressed. It seems strange to me that some people associate "being professional" and "difficult to use". I vote for keeping the boot screen even if it seems to be a little late. Jiawei -- "Without the userland, the kernel is useless." --inspired by The Tao of Programming