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Date:      Wed, 21 Feb 1996 14:53:18 -0800
From:      David Greenman <davidg@Root.COM>
To:        Charles Henrich <henrich@crh.cl.msu.edu>
Cc:        jkh@time.cdrom.com, freebsd-chat@freebsd.org
Subject:   Re: Woah! cdrom.com! 
Message-ID:  <199602212253.OAA01582@Root.COM>
In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 21 Feb 1996 14:34:16 EST." <199602211934.OAA01317@crh.cl.msu.edu> 

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>>In any case, it actually *IS* at 100Mbits now.  CRL evidently
>>purchased another type of 100Mbit card for their Cisco and now we're
>>frequently peaking over 10Mbits, albeit rarely.
>
>>It seems that 600 users eat up around 10Mbits and not much more, so
>>it's more a matter of "however fast you can go, we can go" now.. :-)
>
>There has to be a bottle neck somewhere.  I have a T3 that is peaking out at
>8MBit/sec, and I have a full ethernet to that T3.
>
>And my retrieval performance is *dismal*
>
>Retrieving boot.flp from cdrom.com is ETA at 45 MINUTES!
>
>Here is a traceroute back to cdrom.com.
>
> 1  michnet2.msu.edu (35.8.2.3)  4.458 ms 2.598 ms  5.284 ms
> 2  35.125.0.1 (35.125.0.1)  10.828 ms  4.955 ms  5.280 ms
> 3  cpe2-fddi-1.Chicago.mci.net (192.203.195.5)  5.538 ms  5.952 ms  8.002 ms
> 4  border1-hssi1-0.Chicago.mci.net (204.70.24.5)  19.377 ms  145.608 ms 75.289
> 5  core-fddi-0.Chicago.mci.net (204.70.2.81)  15.953 ms  11.500 ms  12.831 ms
> 6  core1-hssi-2.NorthRoyalton.mci.net (204.70.1.94)  19.188 ms  21.190 ms
> 7  core1-hssi-3.WestOrange.mci.net (204.70.1.102)  30.435 ms  35.809 ms
> 8  core2-hssi-2.Washington.mci.net (204.70.1.106)  40.038 ms  46.752 ms
> 9  borderx1-fddi-1.Washington.mci.net (204.70.74.52)  37.878 ms  40.587 ms *
>10  mae-east-plusplus.Washington.mci.net (204.70.74.102)  236.610 ms  134.524
>11  mae-e-1.e0.crl.com (192.41.177.104)  50.809 ms  64.060 ms  77.006 ms
>12  T1E-CRL-SFO-09-S0/0.US.CRL.NET (165.113.30.101)  172.132 ms  185.432 ms
>13  F0-CRL-SFO-01-F0/0.US.CRL.NET (165.113.55.1)  144.838 ms  111.282 ms
>14  wcarchive.cdrom.com (165.113.58.253)  97.066 ms * *
>
>Waitaminute, is that an ethernet I see between MCI and CRL?

   This is the second report we've gotten about this, and the last one had a
nearly identical traceroute - MCI through mae-east. The last one I analyzed
showed that the problem was the MCI -> MAE-east hop, not the MAE-east -> CRL
hop. I don't know what to say about this other than it appears to me to be an
MCI problem. CRL has future plans to upgrade their connection to MAE-east to
DS3 (it is currently 10Mbits), but in this case it appears that it's not going
to matter. :-(
   CRL peers with MCI at the Pacbell NAP (DS3), too, and in fact that is
how the traffic gets back to you:

traceroute to michnet2.msu.edu (35.8.2.3), 30 hops max, 40 byte packets
 1  F0-CRL-SFO-01-F0/0.US.CRL.NET (165.113.58.1)  0.971 ms  0.727 ms  1.063 ms
 2  pb.mci.net (198.32.128.12)  37.565 ms  95.140 ms  8.486 ms
 3  borderx1-hssi3-0.SanFrancisco.mci.net (204.70.158.105)  4.853 ms  3.142 ms  4.223 ms
 4  core2-fddi-0.SanFrancisco.mci.net (204.70.158.49)  5.521 ms  6.114 ms  8.334 ms
 5  core1-hssi-2.Sacramento.mci.net (204.70.1.146)  12.456 ms  10.910 ms  9.344 ms
 6  core1-hssi-2.WillowSprings.mci.net (204.70.1.174)  262.131 ms  223.868 ms *
 7  core-hssi-3.Chicago.mci.net (204.70.1.85)  112.552 ms  172.846 ms *
 8  border1-fddi-0.Chicago.mci.net (204.70.2.82)  143.960 ms  106.760 ms *
 9  * * *
10  * merit-michnet-ds3.Chicago.mci.net (204.70.24.6)  180.087 ms  147.491 ms
11  fdd0.michnet1.mich.net (192.203.195.4)  135.588 ms  147.975 ms  145.068 ms
12  hssi0.msu2.mich.net (35.125.0.2)  145.792 ms * *

   It seems pretty clear to me by the above that the problem is with MCI,
starting with the Sacremento->WillowSprings hop.

-DG

David Greenman
Core-team/Principal Architect, The FreeBSD Project



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