From nobody Fri May 21 14:36:49 2021 X-Original-To: freebsd-current@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 749268B4362 for ; Fri, 21 May 2021 14:37:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wlosh@bsdimp.com) Received: from mail-qk1-x735.google.com (mail-qk1-x735.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::735]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4Fmq1n2Q3yz3rcs for ; Fri, 21 May 2021 14:37:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wlosh@bsdimp.com) Received: by mail-qk1-x735.google.com with SMTP id k4so8805658qkd.0 for ; Fri, 21 May 2021 07:37:01 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=bsdimp-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=aKSSEzId523EK5grg7xNj8NFrLt4QhWroRkLB1epI8o=; b=wDb9yI8506xGcE1QTd9KO8+LrSyxjzdcg6X20D3QrwhLe1XEHMwHKFXOuFcSwXgfjT 16ssf+rznmeJ6HFwaPi7KCMGP/OPgXe8ZMIG3ggRFvwgeSNz5CLXe/zy+8E67iV676Kv AokPrweuSWyb5itfKnK+km0xUXhE6AboQNGMLj6eBm2wYj2xhSbxcNECMwrCq8Is9MSC 0HQSJ9FqoVfcaNJuKGbAfEC4EU52Tpzd/hghwuTAjBFHgGkAA/N7pfYEJUdFyzCLNuSM vYyylHh0vlYJmyMFmXIr9zLyy2RDlzVLUa/yDFSp1nacG+YX8ZZdLLV90cKAjI/kA3kN MWqg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=aKSSEzId523EK5grg7xNj8NFrLt4QhWroRkLB1epI8o=; b=Fq5em/T1XVkyIPFINgh/iVOa1DzsXFfiJCfPvNdG/mzxYGzfMeBJ025QxFtuZMtv2G 72A1qQ5UwBRSXnxga0D1/yyqOFcIYaXFdXEZ55B/Xc3BaLGOl2QVtpzOwqt9X80jQMnv cCXQ7brYzfggm6gjAL9icYfm0V2we+oMPtvnOCOBEX6JhO1sxdZHcpV8apZrjhCeYrvk BEJJUu0YwzEdb1CGsSgJR8FjScWTT6UUQ5uKjCEZZp1nrpL9EH3sAoorEtgSKRZmh1f+ LDGVTesOst2kEdwiefQXO14+699Y/S/c3/qMKLWnHeMTEmHXyWrOcm4BteegujiwBzR4 kZGQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM532MpbbyBIPHaodW9gcm6vxVIz4gaBWrkUzLtQGLR/SEZr6sm01W Apmgt7kRzhDbBGBvkP0kQLA+RhdYROOfeQD+gBgw1g== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJzuD9K7JGLMtuvv3twbKGvYz1IRLjdRSVYSKUBOEvZTNbk8DlSaDHTx1ctRKf5twnG77tUsngdFRrJrNI64szA= X-Received: by 2002:a37:30b:: with SMTP id 11mr11699569qkd.206.1621607820313; Fri, 21 May 2021 07:37:00 -0700 (PDT) List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-current List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-current@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20210520180155.3e23500e@bsd64.grem.de> <20210520185917.GL14975@funkthat.com> In-Reply-To: From: Warner Losh Date: Fri, 21 May 2021 08:36:49 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Reducing SIGINFO verbosity To: Ceri Davies Cc: Conrad Meyer , Michael Gmelin , "freebsd-current@freebsd.org" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="00000000000018886d05c2d7feb4" X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4Fmq1n2Q3yz3rcs X-Spamd-Bar: ---- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[] --00000000000018886d05c2d7feb4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, May 21, 2021 at 7:38 AM Ceri Davies wrote: > On Thu, May 20, 2021 at 03:57:17PM -0700, Conrad Meyer wrote: > > No, I don=E2=80=99t think there=E2=80=99s any reason to default it diff= erently on stable > vs > > current. I think it=E2=80=99s useful (and I prefer the more verbose for= m, which > > isn=E2=80=99t the default). > > I agree that there's no reason for the default to be different, but I > would say that it is much easier for someone who knows that there is a > default to be changed to change it, than it is for someone who does not. > Therefore, if the information is not useful to someone who does not know > how to get rid of it, then it should default to not being displayed, > IMHO. > I plan on changing the default for non-INVARIANT kernels back to the old behavior. INVARIANT kernels will keep this behavior because it's a debugging kernel and this is one more thing to help debugging problems. Warner --00000000000018886d05c2d7feb4 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


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On Fri, May 21, 2021 at 7:38 AM Ceri = Davies <ceri@submonkey.net>= wrote:
On Thu, = May 20, 2021 at 03:57:17PM -0700, Conrad Meyer wrote:
> No, I don=E2=80=99t think there=E2=80=99s any reason to default it dif= ferently on stable vs
> current. I think it=E2=80=99s useful (and I prefer the more verbose fo= rm, which
> isn=E2=80=99t the default).

I agree that there's no reason for the default to be different, but I would say that it is much easier for someone who knows that there is a
default to be changed to change it, than it is for someone who does not. Therefore, if the information is not useful to someone who does not know how to get rid of it, then it should default to not being displayed,
IMHO.

I plan on changing the default fo= r non-INVARIANT kernels back to
the old behavior.

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INVARIANT kernels will keep this behavior because it's a debu= gging
kernel and this is one more thing to help debugging problem= s.

Warner
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