From owner-freebsd-net Wed Aug 26 21:46:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA03180 for freebsd-net-outgoing; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 21:46:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from obie.softweyr.com ([204.68.178.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA03148 for ; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 21:46:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wes@softweyr.com) Received: from obie.softweyr.com (zaphod.softweyr.com [204.68.178.35]) by obie.softweyr.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id WAA06588; Wed, 26 Aug 1998 22:51:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wes@softweyr.com) Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 22:51:15 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <199808270451.WAA06588@obie.softweyr.com> Subject: Re: NETCCITT sources From: Wes Peters To: moncrg@ma.ultranet.com, wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu, freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: marc@versa.eng.comsat.com Reply-To: Wes Peters In-Reply-To: <199808270116.VAA07223@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> References: <199808270116.VAA07223@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-Mailer: BeatWare Mail-It 1.6 X-BeOS-Platform: Intel or clone Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hub.freebsd.org id VAA03165 Sender: owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org My hidden microphone recorded Garrett Wollman (wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu) saying: % < said (with respect to NETCCITT): % % > Of course by dropping it FreeBSD is losing % > some of its heritage... % % Not really. OSI was something that was kluged in by Berkeley fairly % late in the game, when people still thought it might actually be used % by somebody. And, in the world in general, OSI has finally! died the horrible, protracted death it always deserved. Back in 93-94, when it looked (to some) like OSI was going to be the wave of the future, but the TCP/IP internet was starting to grow rapidly, we had a saying: "OSI - the network of the future. Always has been, always will be." Fortunately, even this isn't true anymore. OSI is an idea whose time came and went long before the eggheads and bureaucrats that designed ever produced ANYTHING. The TCP/IP internet survived and thrived because its entire design revolved around getting things DONE. OSI died because it was designed to death with little or no attention paid to "silly details" like implementing or using it. % > I'd really prefer to stick with FreeBSD % > but might be forced to consider Net/Open... % % Don't think we consider this threatening. Yeah -- the attitude you'll get from most of us here is "whatever spins YOUR beanie." NetBSD, OpenBSD, Linux -- sorry we couldn't help. FreeBSD has enough projects lying about to keep those who are working on it now busy for decades, so unless you want to become the champion of netccitt, don't expect much. I suspect this is an area that has not gotten much attention in NetBSD or OpenBSD lately, either, but good luck in your search. -- "Where am I, and what am I doing in this handbasket?" Wes Peters Softweyr LLC http://www.softweyr.com/~softweyr wes@softweyr.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-net" in the body of the message