From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 2 16:29:22 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4850916A400 for ; Wed, 2 May 2007 16:29:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from imp@bsdimp.com) Received: from harmony.bsdimp.com (vc4-2-0-87.dsl.netrack.net [199.45.160.85]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 065FD13C469 for ; Wed, 2 May 2007 16:29:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from imp@bsdimp.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.bsdimp.com (8.13.8/8.13.4) with ESMTP id l42GRB2J027777; Wed, 2 May 2007 10:27:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from imp@bsdimp.com) Date: Wed, 02 May 2007 10:27:22 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <20070502.102722.1723235670.imp@bsdimp.com> To: h.schmalzbauer@omnisec.de From: "M. Warner Losh" In-Reply-To: <200705012017.06445.h.schmalzbauer@omnisec.de> References: <20070501083009.GA4627@nagual.pp.ru> <20070501160645.GA9333@nagual.pp.ru> <200705012017.06445.h.schmalzbauer@omnisec.de> X-Mailer: Mew version 4.2 on Emacs 21.3 / Mule 5.0 (SAKAKI) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (harmony.bsdimp.com [127.0.0.1]); Wed, 02 May 2007 10:27:12 -0600 (MDT) Cc: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: HEADS DOWN X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 02 May 2007 16:29:22 -0000 In message: <200705012017.06445.h.schmalzbauer@omnisec.de> Harald Schmalzbauer writes: : Am Dienstag, 1. Mai 2007 schrieb Andrey Chernov: : > All backed out. : > : > Not because I admit they are technically wrong and not because of bug : > reports (I receive nothing). But because I surprisingly meets so : > strong opposition and resistance so lost any desire to continue that. : : I'm very sorry to hear that. I don't have the skills to comment anything : technically, but I just wanted to say that I'm suprised that -current is that : stable for me these days. It's wonderful, but I think making progress in : standard compliance and/or testing new developed stuff (eg. the new USB : stack) is much more important than making -current a production branch. : I'm a friend of standrads and I highly appreciate your work Andrey, and I hope : we will see your work back in the tree as soon as possible. : : Diffrent people do things different, but that's why FreeBSD is what it is : today. The accummulation of excellent work by excellent people. The biggest problem with the changes was how and when they were done. The source tree is in a "code slush" right now before we branch later this year. During this period, there's a higher requirement to have discussions before things are committed. Given the risks (or perceived risks) of this commit, people were concerned about it. I believe that many of these changes will ultimately make it into the tree, after proper review and testing. I'd encourage people who are intested in this issue to join the discussions on arch@ so that these efforts can be properly coordinated. Warner