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Date:      Tue, 21 Jul 1998 20:55:13 -0600
From:      Brett Glass <brett@lariat.org>
To:        Jon Hamilton <hamilton@pobox.com>
Cc:        security@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: Making it work (Was: Why is there no info on the QPOPPER hack?) 
Message-ID:  <199807220255.UAA23447@lariat.lariat.org>
In-Reply-To: <199807220211.UAA22700@lariat.lariat.org>
References:  <Your message of "Tue, 21 Jul 1998 19:23:01 MDT."             <199807220123.TAA21937@lariat.lariat.org>

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At 09:13 PM 7/21/98 -0500, Jon Hamilton wrote:
 
>And this team is going to flash the bat signal and gather round the
>table every time any member finds any problem in any software?  

If it's in the Ports collection or in a built-in FreeBSD utility, an
alert should go out, certainly.

>How do
>you balance the delay of having many people examine the problem (and the
>fix) vs. having fewer people do the work and getting the result out more
>quickly?  How large is this team?  What happens when there's disagreement
>among the team as to what is or isn't a good fix?  What about the fact that
>you're still applying band-aids to poorly written code in the first place,
>in effect treating the symptom rather than the cause?

How are these problems handled by the current development team?


>You've found the right motivation, but I don't think you'll find enough
people
>who are both interested in such an endeavor and willing/able to be part of
>a group such as you're describing.  Once you get a group larger than a
>certain critical mass, it becomes a time sucking pig trying to generate
>some semblance of consensus, and people spend lots of time bickering rather
>than doing something more productive.

You're very pessimistic! Who here is more optimistic and would be willing
to try it?

>I suspect that you meant that in a big picture sort of way, your idea would
>solve more problems than it creates.  I still think there's more hidden
>overhead in there than you're acknowledging, and there are other problems
>waiting to bite you which you seem eager to dismiss out of hand, 

Again, you're being incredibly pessimistic. I think it can work.

Volunteers for the "instant update" team, please send me private e-mail!

--Brett


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