From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Jul 11 06:56:00 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D45059983DE for ; Sat, 11 Jul 2015 06:56:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bret.busby@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ob0-x22e.google.com (mail-ob0-x22e.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4003:c01::22e]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 92AB2CAD for ; Sat, 11 Jul 2015 06:56:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bret.busby@gmail.com) Received: by obbop1 with SMTP id op1so203532070obb.2 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2015 23:55:59 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=22oMDYtfFkQR1Vouvt6UBEwPF0faRyXAEqXLkz9HG/w=; b=hhpRpHZEyEks82Ma1Hx4wf84tralhRzLeXBqC+POcPYA48LopvtnRr+VwXHmP46oQF rYFxL+PvgCL+jA+0FlSTl0T6Fbs3+l+DTdvYOorH1bBx3JeWQbfZC/ybCNJccEp80m6Y Bob7BIQYUv9Y5v2l1PDqfjybln3zKjSb9MjwlgxB0uxjEBgs7htmweO4QE5uOTCCtDw0 fYvuqRWgUx7pSykEOVDCnoT9h7zAsm1PTlEo8PzKWCKx8gbObdqj45JdDQIeo10T2cC2 Qv+bzvj5DAvSjEeB9keRkRgESFyzJ2bRuFjpiMxwxTDCt45XYuGio5B7ApN6MBfZuZmt 787w== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.202.1.67 with SMTP id 64mr19824708oib.6.1436597759864; Fri, 10 Jul 2015 23:55:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.202.65.133 with HTTP; Fri, 10 Jul 2015 23:55:59 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <1436566596.18451.17.camel@rocketmail.com> References: <559FF775.7030204@mgm51.com> <33650.128.135.70.2.1436549147.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> <55A00F43.90908@gmail.com> <20150710212456.70c0d1db.freebsd@edvax.de> <20150711000551.414cfc4b@archlinux> <1436566596.18451.17.camel@rocketmail.com> Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2015 14:55:59 +0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Microsoft Now OpenBSD Foundation Gold Contributor From: Bret Busby To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2015 06:56:01 -0000 On 11/07/2015, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Sat, 2015-07-11 at 00:05 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: >> On Fri, 10 Jul 2015 14:30:21 -0700, Mehmet Erol Sanliturk wrote: >> > This means that , claiming that "copy-left licensed software is >> > more >> > secure than permissive licensed software" is a groundless and >> > incorrect claim . >> >> I agree, but there is a valid claim that doesn't depend on the >> chossen >> free license. >> >> This one: >> A non-restrictive, open source OS is more secure than a restricted >> OS. >> But even for non-restrictive, open source operating systems there >> are >> differences. It has less to do with the chosen system or license, >> BSD, >> GNU/Linux or what ever, but with the policy. >> >> A FreeBSD or Arch Linux or Linux from scratch user will set up the >> install, the user has much control over the install. An Ubuntu Linux >> flavour user installs an environment that works out of the box, so >> there is less control and it already leads to issues. >> >> https://www.fsf.org/blogs/rms/ubuntu-spyware-what-to-do >> >> Today I started a discussion on several Linux mailing lists after a >> Xubuntu user reported that the root password is required, when bug >> report pop up windows ask to generate and send a bug report. >> >> IOW there are two approaches, the approach from restricted OSes, that >> is used by some OOTB non-restricted open source OSes too, that >> usually >> claim to be user-friendly and the "real" non-restricted open source >> user-centric approach. >> >> The non-restricted open source user-centric approach is more secure. >> The approach has less to do with the chosen OS or used free license. >> >> 2 Cents, >> Ralf > > PS: IOW it doesn't matter if the thingy in your satellite receiver is > GPLed or has got a BSD license, since it's a so called user-friendly > approach thingy. You don't have any control over this thingy. IOW? -- Bret Busby Armadale West Australia .............. "So once you do know what the question actually is, you'll know what the answer means." - Deep Thought, Chapter 28 of Book 1 of "The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: A Trilogy In Four Parts", written by Douglas Adams, published by Pan Books, 1992 ....................................................