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Date:      Wed, 16 Dec 1998 16:47:27 -0500 (EST)
From:      Chuck Robey <chuckr@mat.net>
To:        Nate Williams <nate@mt.sri.com>
Cc:        sthaug@nethelp.no, bright@hotjobs.com, sgk@troutmask.apl.washington.edu, bs_13943_34262@adimus.de, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: Fortran in the base system (was Re: sysinstall)
Message-ID:  <Pine.BSF.4.05.9812161640310.348-100000@picnic.mat.net>
In-Reply-To: <199812162120.OAA25067@mt.sri.com>

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On Wed, 16 Dec 1998, Nate Williams wrote:

> > > I don't know of *ANY* University that teaches Fortran to Comp. Sci
> > > students.  Fortran is a dead language, and is only used by engineers
> > > that have already existing Fortran code.
> > 
> > As far as I know, new code is definitely being written in Fortran 90.
> > I hardly think it qualifies as a dead language yet.
> 
> Read what I said.  It is only used by engineers that have already
> existing Fortran code.  It doesn't mean new code isn't written, but the
> new code that is written tends to be written by folks who already have
> written lots of Fortran code.

Actually, besides the mountain of legacy code, it vectorizes (where ANSI
C doesn't) onto supercomputers, so academics are often into Fortran.
These guys (from my own experience) want big workstations, and aren't
really terribly interested in PC-based OSs.  A smallish program to them
is 200 megs in size.

> Very few students know Fortran, unless they are required to learn it to
> help our their teachers maintain existing code. :(

Yeah.  All the old fortran courses have been moved out.  CS did it
first, and the holdouts (the EE curriculums) have mostly been
embarrassed into it.

I don't know any user-class that is interested in PCs as a platform, and
really bangs Fortran.  That might change as the Alpha port gets going.
As you go up in class, you pick up the costly apps.

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