From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Nov 30 22:22:21 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from freebie.atkielski.com (ASt-Lambert-101-2-1-14.abo.wanadoo.fr [193.251.59.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31BD337B405 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2001 22:22:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from contactdish (win.atkielski.com [10.0.0.10]) by freebie.atkielski.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) with SMTP id fB16M0x12887; Sat, 1 Dec 2001 07:22:01 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from anthony@freebie.atkielski.com) Message-ID: <008901c17a30$7d084f40$0a00000a@atkielski.com> From: "Anthony Atkielski" To: "Mike Meyer" Cc: References: <15367.37543.15609.362257@guru.mired.org><040701c179af$4bda25f0$0a00000a@atkielski.com><15367.43943.686638.723011@guru.mired.org><003301c179ea$8925d270$0a00000a@atkielski.com><15368.2156.193643.17139@guru.mired.org><005601c179f3$a4030640$0a00000a@atkielski.com> <15368.5624.255357.964607@guru.mired.org> Subject: Re: Feeding the Troll (Was: freebsd as a desktop ?) Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2001 07:21:59 +0100 Organization: Anthony's Home Page (development site) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Mike writes: > All else is seldom, if ever, equal. Once you > get past "good enough", marketing is more > important than the technology. In other words, > the best marketed product that is "good enough" > will win. That's because once you get past "good enough," technology doesn't matter (otherwise it wouldn't be good enough, would it?). > You can't build a reasonable Unix workstation > using PC parts for PC prices today ... Why not? > The Apple Lisa predated the Mac, and was a > much better machine to own. That was a machine I only heard about, never saw. > You didn't hang out in electronic forums for > people using multitasking on their desktop > in the late 80s, then. No. I didn't need to multitask under MS-DOS, and Windows did it well enough for my purposes, most of the time (except when a program misbehaved). > My time on Windows was running a machine installed > by the IT department, with an MCSE. It still crashed > twice a day, even though I put absolutely nothing > else on it. and didn't twiddle with it at all. Your "MCSE" probably installed a buggy driver, if you truly had virtually nothing running on the machine. Drivers are the Achilles heel of most systems, and the situation does not seem to be improving much. Hardware companies usually write really bad software, and that includes drivers, and yet drivers must be trusted by the OS. So you end up with crashes caused by drivers a lot. The situation is bad enough that sometimes I've chosen lesser hardware just to get more reliable drivers (e.g., a Matrox card instead of a fancier video card just because Matrox usually has more stable drivers). > XFree86 comes with source. Feel free to port it. Who will pay me for this? > If you want me to do that, you've got to > pay for my time. Sorry, but I understand. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message