From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Oct 8 13:24:46 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9287337B401 for ; Tue, 8 Oct 2002 13:24:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sccrmhc03.attbi.com (sccrmhc03.attbi.com [204.127.202.63]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7BF343E3B for ; Tue, 8 Oct 2002 13:24:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from swear@attbi.com) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([12.242.158.67]) by sccrmhc03.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20021008202444.TPCB22381.sccrmhc03.attbi.com@localhost.localdomain>; Tue, 8 Oct 2002 20:24:44 +0000 Received: from localhost.localdomain (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.localdomain (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g98KRIoS095718; Tue, 8 Oct 2002 13:27:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from swear@attbi.com) Received: (from jojo@localhost) by localhost.localdomain (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g98KRCpi095715; Tue, 8 Oct 2002 13:27:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from swear@attbi.com) X-Authentication-Warning: localhost.localdomain: jojo set sender to swear@attbi.com using -f To: Brett Glass Cc: swear@attbi.com (Gary W. Swearingen), chat@freeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Congrats to Brett Glass for new BSD history article References: <4.3.2.7.2.20021006235106.038621e0@localhost> <4.3.2.7.2.20021006235106.038621e0@localhost> <4.3.2.7.2.20021007144630.02982e80@localhost> From: swear@attbi.com (Gary W. Swearingen) Date: 08 Oct 2002 13:27:12 -0700 In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20021007144630.02982e80@localhost> Message-ID: Lines: 20 User-Agent: Gnus/5.0808 (Gnus v5.8.8) XEmacs/21.1 (Cuyahoga Valley) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Brett Glass writes: > The Berkeley portion was free. Methinks that, perhaps, you're > asserting "guilt by assocation." ;-) Yes I am, following the lead of copyright law and common English. If only part of something is free, then that something is non-free. You (and DES) said "BSD was always free" which is very different than "the Berkeley portion of BSD was always free". Such over-reaching should be left to the GNU promoters. I suspect that there were many portions of BSD for which one couldn't possibly separate into Berkeley and AT&T portions, so that there were portions which the two simply had joint ownership of. Such portions were licensed by AT&T and Berkeley under different licenses, and some licensees had to pay license fees to use it, making BSD non-free for most of it's existence and by no means "always free". I see no need to spin the fact, sordid as it might seem to gnus. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message