From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 24 07:36:34 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [8.8.178.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B52B9355 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2013 07:36:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dewayne.geraghty@heuristicsystems.com.au) Received: from nskntmtas05p.mx.bigpond.com (nskntmtas05p.mx.bigpond.com [61.9.168.149]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24F8EB19 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2013 07:36:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: from nskntcmgw06p ([61.9.169.166]) by nskntmtas05p.mx.bigpond.com with ESMTP id <20130124073625.QRVO24726.nskntmtas05p.mx.bigpond.com@nskntcmgw06p>; Thu, 24 Jan 2013 07:36:25 +0000 Received: from hermes.heuristicsystems.com.au ([58.172.113.247]) by nskntcmgw06p with BigPond Outbound id rjcP1k00b5LKYmq01jcPM1; Thu, 24 Jan 2013 07:36:25 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=FNSZNpUs c=1 sm=1 a=YibVxx38Z+cwdCKSMcELyg==:17 a=twTT4oUKOlYA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=GHIR_BbyAAAA:8 a=KTtz0Dv9PsYA:10 a=fhNZRPknwttJQfm4QcMA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=YibVxx38Z+cwdCKSMcELyg==:117 Received: from white (white.hs [10.0.5.2]) (authenticated bits=0) by hermes.heuristicsystems.com.au (8.14.5/8.13.6) with ESMTP id r0O7Z2jM063712 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NOT); Thu, 24 Jan 2013 18:35:03 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from dewayne.geraghty@heuristicsystems.com.au) From: "Dewayne" To: "'Oliver Brandmueller'" References: <20130123144050.GG51786@e-Gitt.NET> <20130124093846.5e683474@laptop> Subject: RE: svn - but smaller? Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2013 18:34:33 +1100 Organization: Heuristic Systems Pty Ltd Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: Ac35/VV+kyTWxHXAQf60Qen+i6MOzwAAJszw X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 In-Reply-To: <20130124093846.5e683474@laptop> Cc: 'Jeremy Chadwick' , freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2013 07:36:34 -0000 The objective is to return to a base build of FreeBSD that performs the expected task of being able to pull source, without having to acquire a port. Regardless of our individual solutions/workarounds, the task is to pull and maintain source. Is the discussion going to result in something like svn-lite that enters into the /usr/src/contrib along with the responsibilities associated with maintaining it? And then we need to take into consideration of being overwriting the "base svn" with a full svn package, if required by the user/admin. The issue involves policy decisions along with ongoing support load, rather than just a good technical solution; which as we've seen in earlier discussions, is sorely needed by the folks doing the development/maintenance. In the meantime, ftp isn't really workable for ongoing updates, and rsync is GPL'ed and can't be in the base system. I build svn from ports with all options off except for: ENHANCED_KEYWORD P4_STYLE_MARKERS STATIC which results in a 4.2MB svn program. Suites me but doesn't address the underlying problem - and I don't think that the plan is to make FreeBSD dependent upon the ports system (for subversion) Regards, Dewayne.