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Fri, 17 Apr 2020 09:43:18 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <3f1496d1f598c84b3871b630f161256e152aca75.camel@tom.com> <20200417181142.5f7a613b@archlinux> In-Reply-To: <20200417181142.5f7a613b@archlinux> From: Aryeh Friedman Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2020 12:43:07 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: freebsd should be rewritten based on microkernel architecture To: Ralf Mardorf Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 493hjg5K4Wz4FgD X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=sOd328Rm; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of aryehfriedman@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::12e as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=aryehfriedman@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.00 / 15.00]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; 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Your support is > critical and much appreciated. > > April goal US$8100 (US$97.2k/yr) > Goal reached. Thanks so much! > > Subscribers 4726 US$10969.00/month" > If you read GPL carefully it says you can charge for support *ONLY* which specifically forbids selling shrink wrapped (or custom) software. You can of course ask for "optional donations" but are just that *OPTIONAL*. GPL specifically forbids any business model that is shrink wrapped software (or custom). https://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.en.html#GPLRequireSourcePostedPublic https://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.en.html#DoesTheGPLAllowMoney (since the 1st link *FORCES* you to release the code then *ANYONE* [even people who didn't make any contribution] can also resell it.... no company in it's right mind would ever bet the company on such an arrangement) https://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.en.html#DoesTheGPLAllowRequireFee https://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.en.html#ReleaseUnderGPLAndNF https://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.en.html#CompanyGPLCostsMoney (See last paragraph) https://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.en.html#IfLibraryIsGPL (this is the impossible to get around FU clause) https://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.en.html#SubscriptionFee (Which forbids the example you gave) https://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.en.html#TwoPartyTivoization https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > -- Aryeh M. Friedman, Lead Developer, http://www.PetiteCloud.org