From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Apr 14 20:38:10 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06E8F37B401 for ; Mon, 14 Apr 2003 20:38:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bilver.wjv.com (user38.net339.fl.sprint-hsd.net [65.40.24.38]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C060743FAF for ; Mon, 14 Apr 2003 20:38:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bv@wjv.com) Received: from bilver.wjv.com (localhost.wjv.com [127.0.0.1]) by bilver.wjv.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3F3c3h5037664 for ; Mon, 14 Apr 2003 23:38:04 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from bv@wjv.com) Received: (from bv@localhost) by bilver.wjv.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3F3c3BJ037663 for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Mon, 14 Apr 2003 23:38:03 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 23:38:02 -0400 From: Bill Vermillion To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20030415033802.GB36985@wjv.com> References: <20030412141313.GB58220@wjv.com> <20030412153736.GA53356@users.munk.nu> <20030412184738.GA52650@wjv.com> <20030414155256.GA1608@users.munk.nu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20030414155256.GA1608@users.munk.nu> Organization: W.J.Vermillion / Orlando - Winter Park ReplyTo: bv@wjv.com User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.1i X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-2.8 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,NOSPAM_INC,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, SPAM_PHRASE_02_03,USER_AGENT,USER_AGENT_MUTT,US_DOLLARS_3 version=2.43 Subject: Re: Serial line fbsd installation with no CD X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: bv@wjv.com List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 03:38:10 -0000 While Jez Hancock was trying to figure out why data written to /dev/null on Mon, Apr 14, 2003 at 16:52 was not readable, he gave up and decided to grace us with this: > Hi again Bill, > On Sat, Apr 12, 2003 at 02:47:39PM -0400, Bill Vermillion wrote: > > > The problem was with ipfw2 and in general it's just the fact > > > this is currently not a production server and we'd rather have > > > a fresh install of 4.8 (the NOC currently installs 4.6.2 for > > > some reason and it might become the case that they'll start > > > installing 4.8 by default when they answer us - negating the > > > need for a solution to the subject question:). > > Ah - so it's a company that does more than just put the server in > > place and does install too. I'm not used to that as about the only > > help I'd get in the colo is a 'helping hands' if needed - but I'm > > only 1/2 hour away. It's basically a top-tier tranport provider > > who provides facilities for anyting you'd want - but is not > > a colo of the 'we provide everything you need'. > > We have our own racks and do all our own work - the only thing the > > NOC does is give us connectivity. Different perception on my part. > > If I have a problem one of us [small company] goes and changes the > > machines ourselves, or accompanies one our clients while they > > change their own machine. Security is strict so we have to arrange > > for anyone else to get into the building. > To be honest I feel that this is synonymous to the setup of our NOC. > I'm actually only a 'coadmin' - in the sense that I do not talk > to the network op centre, my 'admin' 'boss' does (lots of 's). Hm. We're small - but dedicated - and we both worked in highly time sensitive businesses - the broadcast industry - so we know the value of down time. However even though we are small we have rack-space in the Level3 facility in Orlando. We got it when it first came up and before they put the current minimum useage in place. Our customers - few as they are - love us. > It's incredibly frustrating that the cost of colocation in the UK > (where I am) and in AUS (where my friend is) is so high and as > such we have to colocate in US where bandwidth is much more reasonably > priced. And could you give an example of what those costs are? I'm curious as to the rates around the world. > > But having machine with connections not less that 100Mbs running > > for a few hundred feet before it gets onto a global 10Gbs backbone > > does have it's advantages. > Yikes that's some pipe. It's a communications facility and now that the bloom is off the dot.com boom of a few years ago so much they sell is dark fibre. I asked a tech installing equipment in a cage behind our rack how much it was worth. Her comment was "I'm not sure but the one almost like it in Miami cost $14,000,000" OC192 equipment is not cheap. The backup generator is a 1,250,000W monster behind the building - with a 6000 gallon tank of diesel fuei. I've seen many colos but never one like L3. One client who hosts exclusively on Macs but a new Xrack in last week to augment his other server. > Still waiting for news on the availability of 4.7-RELEASE CDs in the > NOC, I can well see me mailing a disk off to them :) Usually follows by about 3-4 weeks judging from the past. Bill -- Bill Vermillion - bv @ wjv . com