Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 10:55:23 +0930 From: Greg Lehey <grog@FreeBSD.org> To: Yonatan Bokovza <Yonatan@xpert.com> Cc: Stephen McKay <mckay@thehub.com.au>, Brett Glass <brett@lariat.org>, chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Islam (was: Religions (was Re: helping victims of terror)) Message-ID: <20011022105523.A18153@wantadilla.lemis.com> In-Reply-To: <EB513E68D3F5D41191CA000255588101B434EF@mailserv.xpert.com>; from Yonatan@xpert.com on Sun, Oct 21, 2001 at 09:31:44PM %2B0200 References: <EB513E68D3F5D41191CA000255588101B434EF@mailserv.xpert.com>
next in thread | previous in thread | raw e-mail | index | archive | help
[Format recovered--see http://www.lemis.com/email/email-format.html] On Sunday, 21 October 2001 at 21:31:44 +0200, Yonatan Bokovza wrote: > On Sunday, October 21, 2001 17:47, Stephen McKay wrote: >> On Sunday, 21st October 2001, Brett Glass wrote: >>> At 06:43 PM 10/20/2001, Greg Lehey wrote: >>>> As opposed to moderate Christianity or moderate Judaism? Members >>>> of all three religions continue to commit atrocities in the name >>>> of their religion. >>> >>> Oh? And what "atrocities" have Jews "contined to commit" in the >>> name of their religion? >> >> Well, for a start, the Israeli Government's policy of assassinating >> Palestinians it doesn't like. I really can't understand how their >> politicians can get up on TV and complain about Palestinian terrorism >> as if they don't use exactly the same methods themselves. >> >> Or are you suggesting they do this purely secularly, without religious >> connotations? That's a subtle point in these times. > > I'll take on that as I probably have more information on this then > you guys. Fighting terror is a hard problem in modern day and age > as many facilities and strategies that we're developed for all-out > army war are almost irrelevant. Agreed. > A very good solution that can be applied in small territories such > as Israel is getting *a lot* of Intel on *known* targets and > "eliminating" them. Yes, people are being killed. Yes, *all* of > them are terrorists. Including the babies? > No, these are not the same methods as the terrorist's. An army can't > send suicide bombers to explode themselves amidst a crowd of > civilians. That's only one form of terrorism, one that is still relatively uncommon. How does shooting Palestinian representatives differ from shooting Israeli representatives? The fact that they've killed innocent people is not a differentiator: Sharon has done that. > You have question the "target acquiring" process. The process in > which it's decided to level this or the other individual. I dare you > to find one declared "target" who has not earned that title. Some of those babies taken in collateral damage? > Comparing the Israeli tactics with the American tactic, which failed > miserably in Vietnam and in the Gulf war, I think "elimination" of > selected individuals is much more humane and less prone to hurt > bystanders. It seems absurd to compare the Israeli "eliminations" > to terrorists activity, It seems completely obvious. It's fighting terrorists with their own weapons. > it is a controlled-army action against proven terrorists. Does the Palestinian Authority agree? It's not proof unless all involved people agree. > It's as if I was comparing the American activities in Afghanistan, > which undoubtedly are *meant* to protect Americans, to terrorists > activity. No, the American activities in Afghanistan are not terrorism, they would be conventional warfare if the US had declared war. As you observe above, they might be more successful if they adopted terrorist tactics. Don't get me wrong, I'm not siding with the terrorists. But the general view of most people on this list is so biased to their own point of view that they can't even begin to see the other side. If people would understand *why* these people are attacking them, they'd be in a better position to stop things happening. And they won't do that by trying to blast them out of existence. The best way of fighting these problems is to eliminate their cause. Greg -- When replying to this message, please take care not to mutilate the original text. For more information, see http://www.lemis.com/email.html See complete headers for address and phone numbers To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message
Want to link to this message? Use this URL: <https://mail-archive.FreeBSD.org/cgi/mid.cgi?20011022105523.A18153>