From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 29 01:11:30 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7AF43AD6 for ; Mon, 29 Dec 2014 01:11:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: from cosmo.uchicago.edu (cosmo.uchicago.edu [128.135.52.97]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38133649FB for ; Mon, 29 Dec 2014 01:11:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: by cosmo.uchicago.edu (Postfix, from userid 48) id 08C81CB8C9C; Sun, 28 Dec 2014 19:11:28 -0600 (CST) Received: from 69.209.227.251 (SquirrelMail authenticated user valeri) by cosmo.uchicago.edu with HTTP; Sun, 28 Dec 2014 19:11:28 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <3391.69.209.227.251.1419815488.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> In-Reply-To: References: <20141226072950.GB13694@kontrol.kode5.net> <2641.69.209.227.251.1419803774.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2014 19:11:28 -0600 (CST) Subject: Re: FreeBSD with Win7 and UEFI From: "Valeri Galtsev" To: "Dale Scott" Reply-To: galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.8-5.el5.centos.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" , "galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2014 01:11:30 -0000 On Sun, December 28, 2014 5:26 pm, Dale Scott wrote: > >> On Dec 28, 2014, at 2:56 PM, Valeri Galtsev >> wrote: >> >> >>> On Sun, December 28, 2014 1:40 pm, Warren Block wrote: >>>> On Sun, 28 Dec 2014, Christian Baer wrote: >>>> >>>> This is a little redundant, but I really want to make this clear... >>>> >>>> My motherboard is a Supermicro X10SAT. When the system starts, I can >>>> press >>>> F12 which lets me choose the boot device (basicly like in the BIOS >>>> setup, but >>>> an a temporary basis). This is a *motherboard* function, this is not a >>>> boot >>>> manager from any OS. The motherboard recognises both Windows (list >>>> item: >>>> "Windows boot manager") and FreeBSD (list item: "EFI OS"). >>>> >>>> I have seen no other boot manager after the installation nor did I see >>>> any >>>> chance to choose/configure/check one during the installation of >>>> FreeBSD. >>>> The >>>> handbook in rather silent about this subject too, which is quite a >>>> surprise >>>> to me. When I started out with Linux, everything was about being able >>>> to >>>> coexist with Windows on a single machine. I switched to FreeBSD a >>>> little >>>> later. My first FreeBSD CDs were of v3.3 (that was 1999 and I am >>>> feeling >>>> very >>>> old right about now). The FreeBSD boot manager of back then wasn't as >>>> pretty >>>> as the one supplied with SuSE at the time but it did the same thing. >>>> >>>> Is this an EFI thing or have the priorities shifted? >>> >>> UEFI is a whole new game, utterly different from what came before. And >>> FreeBSD's UEFI support is new. As far as I know, it has no provision >>> for multibooting in UEFI. Code to do that would be welcome, it's been >>> difficult just to get the current UEFI support. >>> >>> Your boot menu suggests that Windows 7 is installed for standard BIOS >>> booting. The easiest way to deal with this is to reinstall FreeBSD for >>> standard BIOS booting also, with an MBR format. Then you can install >>> the boot0 multiboot program, but it really doesn't offer anything that >>> the BIOS boot menu does not already have. >>> >>> Please also consider running FreeBSD as a VM with one of the many >>> virtualization options. That has many advantages over multiboot >>> setups. >> >> There is a big difference: in last case you have the machine running >> Windows 7. Just out of curiosity: do _you_ have the same level of trust >> to >> Windows 7/8 system as you do to FreeBSD? If yes, why at all would you go >> into trouble running FreeBSD? Just curious (no offense to >> anyone/anything >> intended ;-) >> >> Valeri > > For me, it's about how FreeBSD enables building and experimenting with > systems of applications in ways that wouldn't be possible on Windows > (arguably from a pragmatic perspective, not necessarily technically). > > Dale > I see... If to keep Windows as the system machine is running then Windows + cygwin is something that might be much nicer and smoother the Windows --> Virtual Machine --> FreeBSD. Of course, cygwin is pretty much Linux as opposed to FreeBSD being FreeBSD... Valeri ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Valeri Galtsev Sr System Administrator Department of Astronomy and Astrophysics Kavli Institute for Cosmological Physics University of Chicago Phone: 773-702-4247 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++