From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Apr 26 09:19:28 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03F7E16A613 for ; Mon, 26 Apr 2004 09:19:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gamera.svk.isite.net (mail.isite.net [205.217.158.16]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D844843D66 for ; Mon, 26 Apr 2004 09:19:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jrhett@isite.net) Received: from anubis.svk.isite.net (anubis.svk.isite.net [205.217.158.5]) by gamera.svk.isite.net (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i3QGJPqa012786 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO); Mon, 26 Apr 2004 09:19:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from anubis.svk.isite.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) i3QGJK0G003913; Mon, 26 Apr 2004 09:19:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from jrhett@localhost)i3QGJG8B003909; Mon, 26 Apr 2004 09:19:16 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 09:19:16 -0700 From: Joe Rhett To: "Kevin D. Kinsey, DaleCo, S.P." Message-ID: <20040426161916.GB2726@isite.net> Mail-Followup-To: "Kevin D. Kinsey, DaleCo, S.P." , Charles Swiger , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20040423193700.GA5329@isite.net> <5EFD80D4-9567-11D8-90F9-003065ABFD92@mac.com> <20040424031522.GB9858@isite.net> <408A97F8.3070207@daleco.biz> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <408A97F8.3070207@daleco.biz> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2i Organization: Isite Services, Inc. cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Items missing from the handbook and/or FAQs. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 16:19:28 -0000 On Sat, Apr 24, 2004 at 11:38:16AM -0500, Kevin D. Kinsey, DaleCo, S.P. wrote: > It certainly seems as if you brought a lot of pre-conceived ideas to > the desk, which may have been good in some other context, but > simply are not the same ideas that *BSD has its roots in. There are no pre-conceived ideas in my complaint other than a lack of documentation. Unless you mean a pre-conceived idea that someone should be able to figure out to how do something...? > The docs are a complete and highly distilled overview of the entire > OS; I don't think that it was intended as a simple "how to" type > affair. I'm not saying that you didn't read them, perhaps in near > entirety, but from this end it *sounds* as if you expected automagic > config wizards and eye-candy help menus from an OS that simply > has a different philosophy. I'm reading through my posts, and there simply isn't a single complaint about config wizards or eye candy, so I'm really not sure what you are refering to. I had 3 complaints about lack of coherent documentation, 1 complaint that inline documentation should be available (list of filesystem types) and 1 complaint that a modern x startup should be easier to set up. Back to what you said... > the desk, which may have been good in some other context, but > simply are not the same ideas that *BSD has its roots in. If the ideas that *BSD has its roots in are that the systems are supposed to require tons of undocumented, manual hacking to make them operational are what you are trying to say... sorry, I don't believe that. I've been using *BSD offspring since 1986. For many, many years the BSD variants were a LOT more functional out of the box than System III and System V systems. Are you honestly arguing that going backwards is helpful? -- Joe Rhett Chief Geek JRhett@Isite.Net Isite Services, Inc.