From owner-freebsd-questions Sun Jan 6 17: 6:53 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from wantadilla.lemis.com (wantadilla.lemis.com [192.109.197.80]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32E2837B405 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 17:06:45 -0800 (PST) Received: by wantadilla.lemis.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A0D3B782D0; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 11:36:41 +1030 (CST) Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 11:36:41 +1030 From: Greg Lehey To: Joe & Fhe Barbish Cc: FBSD Questions Subject: Re: Editors in base FBSD Message-ID: <20020107113641.C68856@wantadilla.lemis.com> References: <20020107102311.G45844@wantadilla.lemis.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.23i Organization: The FreeBSD Project Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-418-838-708 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.FreeBSD.org/ X-PGP-Fingerprint: 6B 7B C3 8C 61 CD 54 AF 13 24 52 F8 6D A4 95 EF Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sunday, 6 January 2002 at 19:45:02 -0500, Joe & Fhe Barbish wrote: > On Sunday, January 06, 2002 6:53 PM, Greg Lehey wrote: >> On Sunday, 6 January 2002 at 9:51:40 -0600, jacks@sage-american.com wrote: >>> At 10:23 AM 1.6.2002 -0500, Joe & Fhe Barbish wrote: >>>> >>>> I know of vi and ee = very primitive and just primitive >>>> that are part of the base. Are there any others? >> >> If you think vi is very primitive, let alone more primitive than ee, >> then you've missed something. It's not primitive, it's very powerful, >> but also a pain to use. > > As the original poster of this subject I may have > worded my statements based on my experiences of editors > I have used on IBM mainframes. Very primitive to me > equates to very hard to use (IE very un_user friendly) I certainly wouldn't make that comparison. > and I have not read any responses that disagree with that. Well, you must have missed a couple that I saw, then. > To me, a command line editor is one that is launched from the FBSD > command line as to from within X11. I am building web servers, > firewall servers, email servers and none of them will ever have x11 > installed or x11 desktops. So put the editor on a different machine. > I need a strong editor launched from the command line that does not > need x11 to function. At work I can always plug the development FBSD > box into the production hub to gain access to it from my personal > production mswindows box and use tn3270 to telnet in or FTP/95 to > move selected files over for edit update and return it. This seems a really strange way of doing things. Run X on your development machine and use it as the display for the editor. > But I really need a native FBSD edit solution for disaster recovery > where the mswindows LAN is down or not present at that site. > > So let me re-ask my question to you in better terms. > > Do you know of any editors that are launched from the command > line, that do not need x11 to run, that displays a full screen > and uses mouse point & click to position the curser and allows > cut or copy and past functions, along with PK keys for top of > file, bottom of file, exit with save, exit without save, and > standard keyboard arrow button & insert, delete, page up, > page down buttons? Yes, Emacs. Note that, like just about every editor, it's dynamically linked, so you'll need to have /usr online to use it. The best way to do this is to not have a separate /usr file system. > What I am looking for is a full featured editor like ISPF edit on > IBM MVS systems or it's clone PC ISPF EDIT for mswindows? ISPF is not a full-featured editor. It really looks to me like you want to use exactly the environment you're used to, not the environment which would be most suitable. Greg -- When replying to this message, please copy the original recipients. If you don't, I may ignore the reply. For more information, see http://www.lemis.com/questions.html See complete headers for address and phone numbers To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message