From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jun 6 14:35:22 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4AED716A4CE; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 14:35:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.elvandar.org (cust.94.120.adsl.cistron.nl [195.64.94.120]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B7F643D46; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 14:35:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from remko@elvandar.org) Received: from [10.0.3.124] (aragorn.lan.elvandar.intranet [10.0.3.124]) by mail.elvandar.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54D1110685E; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 23:35:11 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <40C38E11.601@elvandar.org> Date: Sun, 06 Jun 2004 23:35:13 +0200 From: Remko Lodder X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Daniel Eischen References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at elvandar.org cc: hackers@freebsd.org cc: Scott Long cc: current@freebsd.org cc: Marcel Moolenaar Subject: Re: HEADS UP! KSE needs more attention X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 06 Jun 2004 21:35:22 -0000 Hey all, Daniel Eischen wrote: > On Sun, 6 Jun 2004, Marcel Moolenaar wrote: > > >>On Sun, Jun 06, 2004 at 02:31:56PM -0600, Scott Long wrote: >> >> > > > Not to take away from the tremendous effort that jake had done for > sparc64, but it should really take more than one or two supporting > developers to obtain tier 1 support. People come and go, and > tierness should take that into account. > > We shouldn't keep an arch at tier 1 just to save face. Better to just > lower it to tier 2 and be done with it. My $.02, FWIW. > I agree with Daniel, although i am not developping for freebsd (lack of knowledge). I think that what Daniel says is true, you cannot say that you support a product in a tier 1 status, while you have way to less people to resolve things. In my opinion it's also better to lower it then, and perhaps upgrade it again when more supporters are available to resolve issues. It takes more time to recover from "failed support" then by honestly saying that you don't have the manpower to support it in a tier 1 branch. Besides that i can understand that this will hit certain people, depending on the sparc64 tier 1 status, but perhaps they can support as well.. We need to resolve this with all of us, and if we cannot find enough people to help , then it should -sadly enough- be degraded in tier status. my $0.02 :) -- Kind regards, Remko Lodder Elvandar.org/DSINet.org www.mostly-harmless.nl Dutch community for helping newcomers on the hackerscene