From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jul 17 08:03:08 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@www.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1EB0C37B401 for ; Thu, 17 Jul 2003 08:03:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx2.freebsd.org (mx2.freebsd.org [216.136.204.119]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A3EA43F85 for ; Thu, 17 Jul 2003 08:03:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from troy@psknet.com) Received: from hub.freebsd.org (hub.freebsd.org [216.136.204.18]) by mx2.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A89355465 for ; Thu, 17 Jul 2003 08:03:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from troy@psknet.com) Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E24037B404 for ; Thu, 17 Jul 2003 08:03:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from psknet.com (kennedy.psknet.com [63.171.251.9]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 225AD43F85 for ; Thu, 17 Jul 2003 08:03:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from troy@psknet.com) Received: from pool-141-152-68-216.roa.east.verizon.net ([141.152.68.216] helo=tws) by psknet.com with asmtp (TLSv1:RC4-MD5:128) (Exim 4.20) id 19dAHf-000CnT-OD for freebsd-isp@lists.freebsd.org; Thu, 17 Jul 2003 11:03:04 -0400 From: "Troy Settle" To: Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2003 11:03:08 -0400 Message-ID: <000f01c34c74$88e98af0$0100a8c0@tws> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: <20030717035706.GL24507@perrin.int.nxad.com> Importance: Normal Subject: RE: 60,000 mailboxes w/ WebAccess X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2003 15:03:08 -0000 I've done the Cyrus trip, it was nice, but too complex of a set up. Granted, that was some 4 years ago, perhaps that whole SASL mess has been made to actually work by now. I've done the Qmail/vpopmail trip too, and while it worked and was scalable, by the time you add in things like TLS, SMTP-AUTH, anti-virus, anti-spam, and other things to bring it up to date, it was like running a hack of a hack of a hack. Everything was so inter-dependant on something else, it was next to impossible to upgrade/change any single component without upgrading/replacing everything. Want it to run on a farm? Good luck! For the last few months, I've been using Exim + Courier-IMAP. I chose Exim over postfix mainly because of Exiscan facility and it's ACL configuration. I'm sure that Postfix would work equally well with the addition of something like Amavis. Oh, for webmail, the best I've seen, is Squirrelmail. It's easy to set up (unlike IMP), very attractive (unlike SqWebMail or Twig), and has a plugin facility that makes it trivial to expand functionality of the application (unlike most every other solution out there). I offer my customers both Squirrelmail as a standard, and SqWebMail as a faster alternative. -- Troy Settle Pulaski Networks http://www.psknet.com 540.994.4254 ~ 866.477.5638 Pulaski Chamber 2002 Small Business Of The Year > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org > [mailto:owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of Sean Chittenden > Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2003 11:57 PM > To: Clement Laforet > Cc: Will Froning; freebsd-isp@lists.freebsd.org > Subject: Re: 60,000 mailboxes w/ WebAccess > > > > > > > What would you suggest for the software? imap-uw? > > > Sendmail/Postfix? I've used squirrelmail and imp. I also saw > > > GatorMail which looked super nice. Any suggestions welcome. > > > > First of all : use Maildir :) > > > > my choice should be : > > - qmail > > - vpopmail with LDAP backend > > Bleh. I did the postfix + Maildir + courier + NFS bit for a few years > and won't do it again. postfix + cyrus is a much more > scalable/reliable/functional/elegant combination (in my experience). > cyrus 2.2 has virtual domain support if you need it (have had it in > production for about 6mo now). > > Whether or not you use qmail's a different matter, but I've been down > that road before too and won't comment on the topic. > > > - imp (CVS version if you wish to use horde 3.x framework > for portal) > > - courier-imap > > I have about 2K in patches that I had to use to get courier to work > reliably with clients and to do what I needed. The code is fugly if > you need to patch it. I'd avoid this software like the plague, > looking back on it, it seems broken by design and doesn't let local > Maildir clients interoperate easily with IMAP clients. > > > - perdition if you wish to use IMAP(s)/POP(s) proxy > > cyrus has a scalability scheme called "murder," that seems to work > quite well. > > > - NTP to avoid bad surprises with NFS/Maildir. > > No need for NFS with cyrus because of murder. postfix + lmtp + cyrus > == way I should've done things from the start and am now having to > migrate users and am kicking myself along the way. > > -sc > > -- > Sean Chittenden > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-isp@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-isp > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-isp-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >