From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Dec 24 22:59:02 1994 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id WAA06305 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 24 Dec 1994 22:59:02 -0800 Received: from UUCP-GW.CC.UH.EDU (root@UUCP-GW.CC.UH.EDU [129.7.1.11]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with SMTP id GAA06299 for ; Sun, 25 Dec 1994 06:58:59 GMT Received: from Taronga.COM by UUCP-GW.CC.UH.EDU with UUCP id AA29637 (5.67a/IDA-1.5); Sun, 25 Dec 1994 00:46:02 -0600 Received: by bonkers.taronga.com (smail2.5p) id AA27389; 25 Dec 94 00:25:38 CST (Sun) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by bonkers.taronga.com (8.6.8/8.6.6) with SMTP id AAA27386; Sun, 25 Dec 1994 00:25:37 -0600 Message-Id: <199412250625.AAA27386@bonkers.taronga.com> X-Authentication-Warning: bonkers.taronga.com: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: Joe Greco Cc: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: /etc/rc.shutdown (First shot) In-Reply-To: Your message of "Sat, 24 Dec 94 17:20:28 GMT." <9412242320.AA02541@brasil.moneng.mei.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.4.1 7/21/94 Date: Sun, 25 Dec 1994 00:25:36 -0600 From: Peter da Silva Sender: hackers-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > However, I am not arguing _for_ Ollivier's changes, by any stretch of the > imagination. If you type "shutdown" without bothering to take down INN and > make sure all's well, you darn well get what you deserve. Hokay, I've got an Alpha based box at work that's running a hundred users and bunches of commercial and local packages. In fact I've got two of them. I don't *remember* all the stuff you have to do to shut them down right. But, you say, you could just create a shutdown script and run that instead of shutdown. Hrm... I'm sorry, I'd rather keep things simple. > I'm not a fan of > the SVR4-style 10-trillion-shell-script crud (Solaris is horrible), and I'd > just as soon prefer to keep it simple. ;-) JMHO. IMHO, SIGTERM plus ten seconds is far from simple. It's an obscure kludge and the sort of thing that the Multics and TOPS and VMS fans are *right* to flame about. A single "shutdown" hook is far from the System V multiple run level model (though that's *also* a Good Thing when you have hundreds of users and multiple people with system administrator type duties). Bravo Ollivier!