From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Aug 15 8:35:25 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mail.enteract.com (mail.enteract.com [207.229.143.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9BD4337BA5C for ; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 08:35:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dscheidt@enteract.com) Received: from shell-1.enteract.com (dscheidt@shell-1.enteract.com [207.229.143.40]) by mail.enteract.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA80027; Tue, 15 Aug 2000 10:33:41 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from dscheidt@enteract.com) Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 10:33:40 -0500 (CDT) From: David Scheidt To: j mckitrick Cc: Alfred Perlstein , "Christopher S. Weimann" , Olaf Hoyer , David Kelly , freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Why I Don't Do Linux In-Reply-To: <20000815161625.B38878@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, 15 Aug 2000, j mckitrick wrote: :| > However, occasionally the rulers do tell someone. Under the usual :| > `su' mechanism, once someone learns the root password who sympathizes :| > with the ordinary users, he or she can tell the rest. The "wheel :| > group" feature would make this impossible, and thus cement the power of :| > the rulers. :| > :| > I'm on the side of the masses, not that of the rulers. If you are :| > used to supporting the bosses and sysadmins in whatever they do, you :| > might find this idea strange at first. :| > :| :| Or any kind of accountability... : :How does the wheel group enforce accountability? Doesn't disabling remote :root logins (thus requiring 'su) produce an audit trial, thus enforcing :accountability? : If I got root, you don't have an sulog. Funny how that works, eh? Remember that RMS is an ITS hacker. ITS had essentially no security. David To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message