From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Mon May 5 18:00:08 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9FF14B70 for ; Mon, 5 May 2014 18:00:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-qa0-f54.google.com (mail-qa0-f54.google.com [209.85.216.54]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5C813B51 for ; Mon, 5 May 2014 18:00:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-qa0-f54.google.com with SMTP id j15so2240191qaq.13 for ; Mon, 05 May 2014 11:00:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from :date:message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type; bh=AKl7oOxwdyrC5jMGZWqLrLPl0faHcJjkVnjMtjrOn9w=; b=CcmfyMboqxv9aGjw7wPh03TxcASNg/A56GkFDcV+XnZdojdIFmUhdb+zq+Vzjowkn9 NS/CBQ5a1UxppY8a3faQ4ODbegnilNCkSx2FP0CIzmRhaiugPpc/KNieThOvzwqqNzN7 o2scMn0OdoM6vtu8KhgljOgdYEsf5HGjENSol5Pq67a9V0sb9LPMcTH8CyO2lPAcnBL3 Uqt/WQkwHX16oDEcpflRclFbbyY4M84AQCVVThyBdPuiXliVyrUb9agkIs2aKhDLM72P LxAiqlrvegQwJeL3v//3/1V2Nw0/wyHyLR0gNBqK0EyQnJUTQK1XEXsy3hXEx6J4j+6Z O22g== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQmwUakonLGsiod0h/FXZjlB/4FhTH7UBnfTfHePxJv2HwQcAnV6a30dOQp384WFgE+OnxkE X-Received: by 10.140.91.161 with SMTP id z30mr43756951qgd.65.1399312801293; Mon, 05 May 2014 11:00:01 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: jmmv@meroh.net Received: by 10.96.83.99 with HTTP; Mon, 5 May 2014 10:59:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Originating-IP: [2620:0:1003:1021:b086:8c17:b69c:a4e2] In-Reply-To: <53678B51.4050406@freebsd.org> References: <20140422202506.GA63561@ivaldir.etoilebsd.net> <20140422214610.GC63561@ivaldir.etoilebsd.net> <611243783F62AF48AFB07BC25FA4B1061CACCBA2@DLREXMBX01.intra.dlr.de> <53678B51.4050406@freebsd.org> From: Julio Merino Date: Mon, 5 May 2014 10:59:41 -0700 X-Google-Sender-Auth: AGTJvTIV-f7oy3F0e1nrpaGY1Hg Message-ID: Subject: Re: Can fmake be deleted? To: Julian Elischer Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Cc: sjg@freebsd.org, freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org, Hartmut.Brandt@dlr.de, Baptiste Daroussin X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 05 May 2014 18:00:08 -0000 On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 6:00 AM, Julian Elischer wrote: > On 5/5/14, 7:41 PM, Hartmut.Brandt@dlr.de wrote: >> >> Hi, >> >> I've seen that you've copied all the make tests over to usr.bin/make with >> a comment that they are fmake-only. According to your question they are to >> be removed. >> >> Isn't bmake based on some version of fmake? In fact several of these tests >> check for bugs that I've fixed in our fmake some years ago. Are they now >> reintroduced via the bmake import? Wouldn't it make sense to retain the >> tests that apply to bmake? > > > so this brings up the question on my mind which is; > > So what's up with bmake? > How does it relate to the old FreeBSD make? > Why did we need a new make? what does it get us? I don't know the details of why the import of bmake was originally done (although I suspect sharing code with NetBSD had something to do). But: why does any of this matter at this point? bmake is already the default build tool and I bet this was already discussed years ago when the code was first originally imported...