From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Apr 26 22:42:29 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3BAC616A401 for ; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 22:42:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aw1@stade.co.uk) Received: from lon-mail-1.gradwell.net (lon-mail-1.gradwell.net [193.111.201.125]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DF9343D48 for ; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 22:42:27 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from aw1@stade.co.uk) Received: from alsager-adsl.stade.co.uk ([81.6.222.119] helo=access2.hanley.stade.co.uk country=GB) by lon-mail-1.gradwell.net with esmtp (Gradwell gwh-smtpd 1.215) id 444ff752.14b04.70c for freebsd-stable@freebsd.org; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 23:42:26 +0100 (envelope-sender ) Received: from steerpike.hanley.stade.co.uk (steerpike [192.168.1.10]) by access2.hanley.stade.co.uk (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k3QMgPXK025532 for ; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 23:42:25 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from aw1@steerpike.hanley.stade.co.uk) Received: from steerpike.hanley.stade.co.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by steerpike.hanley.stade.co.uk (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k3QMgPXg001267 for ; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 23:42:25 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from aw1@steerpike.hanley.stade.co.uk) Received: (from aw1@localhost) by steerpike.hanley.stade.co.uk (8.13.4/8.13.4/Submit) id k3QMgOnE001266 for freebsd-stable@freebsd.org; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 23:42:24 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from aw1) Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 23:42:24 +0100 From: Adrian Wontroba To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20060426224224.GD717@steerpike.hanley.stade.co.uk> Mail-Followup-To: Adrian Wontroba , freebsd-stable@freebsd.org References: <20060425004405.G44618@woozle.rinet.ru> <20060424205026.GA18844@xor.obsecurity.org> <20060425134418.J57625@woozle.rinet.ru> <20060425080932.1rv9hq0rcws4wc84@www.wolves.k12.mo.us> <20060425162656.GC54244@xor.obsecurity.org> <20060425213313.R71240@woozle.rinet.ru> <444E8E48.8040008@rogers.com> <20060425211417.GA58948@xor.obsecurity.org> <444E96A1.3010307@rogers.com> <20060425234603.eba09894.torfinn.ingolfsen@broadpark.no> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20060425234603.eba09894.torfinn.ingolfsen@broadpark.no> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 5.4-STABLE Organization: Oh dear, I've joined one again. X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.88.1/1426/Wed Apr 26 19:03:01 2006 on access2.hanley.stade.co.uk X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: fsck_ufs locked in snaplk X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: aw1@stade.co.uk List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 22:42:29 -0000 On Tue, Apr 25, 2006 at 11:46:03PM +0200, Torfinn Ingolfsen wrote: > It could also be viewed as irresponsible to have servers in production > _without_ a corresponding test system to test proposed changes on. True, but some us are blessed with a collection of assorted ancient cast off servers, and can not justify to money focused management a test system for every type of production server / function. We then sometimes pay the price for doing things on the cheap when an exotic bug strikes in less heavily exercised code. If you're different and you know it, test! (or clap your hands in woe?) -- Adrian Wontroba