From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Oct 2 21:44:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA26403 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 21:44:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from word.smith.net.au (castles69.castles.com [208.214.165.69]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA26381 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 21:44:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@word.smith.net.au) Received: from word.smith.net.au (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by word.smith.net.au (8.9.1/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA00453; Fri, 2 Oct 1998 21:49:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@word.smith.net.au) Message-Id: <199810030449.VAA00453@word.smith.net.au> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 2/24/98 To: Brett Glass cc: "Jordan K. Hubbard" , Frank Pawlak , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Device Drivers for Linux and Intel's annoucement In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 02 Oct 1998 22:01:15 MDT." <4.1.19981002215535.040ed100@mail.lariat.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1998 21:49:12 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Frank and I are not the only people who perceive that FreeBSD is plagued by a > lack of investment in marketing. Walnut Creek doesn't seem willing to > make that investment. As someone relatively impartial in this spittle-fest, I would just like to point out that Walnut Creek are not "unwilling" to make any investment in FreeBSD. Quite the contrary in fact; most businesses wouldn't even dream of spending as much to promote and support the FreeBSD Project as WC does. I doubt that any one organisation has spent, or continues to spend, more money in direct support of any open-source operating system project. The "problem" is that they're effectively alone. Apart from some (often generous) donations from other organisations, Walnut Creek are the only company spending money on FreeBSD as such. We're spending about as much as we can make right now, and investing more. If you want an idea of the issues here, Walnut Creek has three employees working on FreeBSD fulltime. RedHat have fifty. We spend a lot of money on infrastructure (ftp.cdrom.com, the FreeBSD cluster, hardware donations to developers), while RedHat write manuals and put them in a pretty box. That gives them a lot of time to write press releases. Draw what "conclusions" you like from the situation. Whatever you come up with, don't think you can point the finger at us for not trying. You're welcome to a slice of my ulcer. -- \\ Sometimes you're ahead, \\ Mike Smith \\ sometimes you're behind. \\ mike@smith.net.au \\ The race is long, and in the \\ msmith@freebsd.org \\ end it's only with yourself. \\ msmith@cdrom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message