From owner-svn-src-all@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 23 06:32:38 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: svn-src-all@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2A1710656AA; Mon, 23 Aug 2010 06:32:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from scottl@samsco.org) Received: from pooker.samsco.org (pooker.samsco.org [168.103.85.57]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 556758FC12; Mon, 23 Aug 2010 06:32:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (pooker.samsco.org [168.103.85.57]) (authenticated bits=0) by pooker.samsco.org (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id o7N6WYHv087862; Mon, 23 Aug 2010 00:32:34 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from scottl@samsco.org) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1081) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Scott Long In-Reply-To: <4C718595.5050304@FreeBSD.org> Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2010 00:32:33 -0600 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <20100821.191255.1023414010414033264.imp@bsdimp.com> <4C717990.6020601@FreeBSD.org> <20100822.134229.550118873867470111.imp@bsdimp.com> <4C718595.5050304@FreeBSD.org> To: Doug Barton X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1081) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-50.0 required=3.8 tests=ALL_TRUSTED, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=unavailable version=3.3.0 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.0 (2010-01-18) on pooker.samsco.org Cc: src-committers@FreeBSD.org, rpaulo@FreeBSD.org, svn-src-all@FreeBSD.org, bz@FreeBSD.org, svn-src-head@FreeBSD.org, anchie@FreeBSD.org, "M. Warner Losh" Subject: Re: svn commit: r211501 - in head/sys: modules modules/send netinet netinet6 sys X-BeenThere: svn-src-all@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "SVN commit messages for the entire src tree \(except for " user" and " projects" \)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2010 06:32:38 -0000 On Aug 22, 2010, at 2:16 PM, Doug Barton wrote: > On 08/22/2010 12:42, M. Warner Losh wrote: >=20 >> I think you're drawing the wrong conclusion here. >=20 > Doubtful. :) >=20 >> My point is that we have trusted folks in the past to do the right >> thing, even when they don't say they will. >=20 > And my point, which I will make one last time, is that this model = hasn't worked. Yes, it works sometimes, but we still have a bunch of = stuff that doesn't have _any_ man page at all. If we want to continue = the transition to being a more professional OS that isn't acceptable. >=20 > I've already made the points about why working through the = documentation _before_ committing is valuable, and that the simple step = of requiring this is an easy way to make sure the problem we have = doesn't get any worse. Clearly there isn't a lot of sympathy for either = of these perspectives in the wider community, so c'est la vie. >=20 > But I was serious about my other comment, if you(pl.) are not willing = to make a change to improve the situation, you lose the right to = complain down the road when the man pages don't magically appear. >=20 >> towards Ann >=20 > Wrong name. :) >=20 Doug, you're being a grade-A asshole in this entire discussion. The = merits of your argument are being completely overshadowed by your = patronizing attitude and over the top straw-man extremism. Ana deserves = an apology from you, and you would do well to consider apologizing to = everyone involved. Scott