From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Jan 10 1:36:37 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from ducky.nz.freebsd.org (ns1.unixathome.org [203.79.82.27]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D96D37B400; Wed, 10 Jan 2001 01:36:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from wocker (wocker.int.nz.freebsd.org [192.168.0.99]) by ducky.nz.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA28697; Wed, 10 Jan 2001 22:35:53 +1300 (NZDT) Message-Id: <200101100935.WAA28697@ducky.nz.freebsd.org> From: "Dan Langille" Organization: The FreeBSD Diary / FreshPorts To: Neil Blakey-Milner Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 22:35:48 +1300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: how to test out cron.c changes? (was: cvs commit: src/etc crontab) Reply-To: dan@langille.org Cc: Doug Barton , freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: <20010110112451.A52255@mithrandr.moria.org> References: <200101100820.VAA28529@ducky.nz.freebsd.org>; from dan@langille.org on Wed, Jan 10, 2001 at 09:20:13PM +1300 X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c) Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 10 Jan 2001, at 11:24, Neil Blakey-Milner wrote: > These changes have been tested in OpenBSD for 3 years. That's a relatively smaller user-base compared to FreeBSD. Do you consider that sufficient? > The "solution" > is _not_ to tell people they're stupid to schedule jobs during the > changeover. It has nothing to do with them. If they want jobs at 2am > in the morning, that's cool. The fact the changeover is a problem is > cron-specific. It shouldn't be trying to be clever and work with local > time when local time does weird things like randomly add and remove time > from existence. However, since it _does_ have this "feature", we should > accomodate people who are negatively affected by it. It _will_ fix the > twice-yearly complaint about extra and missing jobs. It may create > unexpected behaviour for a tiny percentage. Those people should be > reading the release notes ("or they shouldn't be system administrators > or run FreeBSD"). I don't see how the above relates to my point about sufficient testing. It seems to be a repeat of what you've said before. > Again, this change is from OpenBSD. We will synchronise with their > changes, and perhaps offer them back a patch to ignore what "ultra leet > sysadmins who rely on broken behaviour because people who don't are > simply stupid and shouldn't be running FreeBSD anyway!" with an option. Maybe I'm stupid. I couldn't parse that. But I get the drift. -- Dan Langille The FreeBSD Diary - http://freebsddiary.org/ FreshPorts - http://freshports.org/ NZ Broadband - http://unixathome.org/broadband/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message