From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 17 00:55:39 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69274106564A for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 00:55:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kitchetech@gmail.com) Received: from fk-out-0910.google.com (fk-out-0910.google.com [209.85.128.191]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E32318FC17 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 00:55:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kitchetech@gmail.com) Received: by fk-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id k31so2698918fkk.11 for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 16:55:37 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=wMpAN4HuDBRhK1kKMXggfjhnvEWZ99xU0vipDyPtPHY=; b=hasdanXGG+/qVRcs6/uq1gjEwBGwTs0wKWOQxeNqv+LgMzvnaW6NQ7mXnhXTEWrOM+ lhrUezUFXXdlWXrWRUjM04rEeeV0M9nVzlzIebpx9lm4YCK3Tl+B1gdVhfqHoRowpxgX 0xmkmTbytipZXsRbZd/NYhEbKh0etXZ4VHc38= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=IO3gGlD60oFJjje4HI3JB8KaL942XNFz8sfH4Rsu9vtn1Z13YonrGXL7DtOqOtDaSJ uDc7ZrynmQUWLHeVuPbhy03ogRzyA9vIrSd8wAQ6PiAV2iudhJDeBnEIaQoGI3SKQ1dk roGLjFfCEQPF0s0FvHgrmAdBvq3Agqzu8aWBE= Received: by 10.181.135.12 with SMTP id m12mr854178bkn.88.1226883337661; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 16:55:37 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.180.205.7 with HTTP; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 16:55:37 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <28283d910811161655r33553047vbe950ab244d13ad8@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 19:55:37 -0500 From: "matt donovan" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20081117004642.GA70347@comcast.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20081116160428.GD79046@valentine.liquidneon.com> <49207271.7030609@boosten.org> <20081116202542.T26156@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <49207F81.7090502@infracaninophile.co.uk> <20081116225359.G26735@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081116153224.62bf8b5a@tau.draftnet> <4ad871310811161545t547565c1ya9a8e2cda2605b16@mail.gmail.com> <20081117005057.T27258@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <9145AB3A-E20B-42FF-B1FC-8FDD7532A883@rgbaz.eu> <20081117004642.GA70347@comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Re: Official FreeBSD Forums X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 00:55:39 -0000 On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 7:46 PM, Charlie Kester wrote: > * FBSD UG [2008-11-17 01:20:47 +0100]: > > >> On 17 nov 2008, at 01:02, Wojciech Puchar wrote: >> >> Learn from other's mistakes (like linux,netbsd), instead of repeating >>> and repeating the same mistake again. >>> >>> why not learn from where it went wrong and do it better? If FreeBSD >> becomes popular we'll have to deal with it sooner or later >> > > I don't want to fan the flames, but isn't that exactly what Wojciech is > suggesting? That Linux went wrong when it began to cater too much to > the perceived need to give former Windows users a "user-friendly" > system? > > Anyway, I suspect that this discussion more properly belongs on the > advocacy mailing list. The OP's question probably should have been > directed there in the first place. > Let's drop it here, and get back to answering the kind of howto > questions where this list excels. > > -- Charlie > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > yes this should have gone to the advocacy mailing list really, and from what I got from what Wojciech said is that he thinks that FreeBSD will come with a gui installed by default. I don't think that's what most of us are thinking when we are thinking of new users. We are thinking of users that actually know or want to control their complete system.