From owner-freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Mon Dec 11 20:09:43 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-arch@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D9DEE9CF61 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2017 20:09:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sean@chittenden.org) Received: from mail01.lax1.stackjet.com (mon01.lax1.stackjet.com [174.136.104.178]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3A14C76986 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2017 20:09:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sean@chittenden.org) Received: from localhost (unknown [208.184.5.170]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: sean@chittenden.org) by mail01.lax1.stackjet.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 8EF192F8577; Mon, 11 Dec 2017 11:59:39 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2017 11:59:38 -0800 From: Sean Chittenden To: "Rodney W. Grimes" Cc: freebsd.arch@clogic.com.ua, freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Subject: Re: RFC: Sendmail deprecation ? Message-ID: <20171211195938.dxfji2pf2sq63my7@chittenden.org> References: <201712111451.vBBEpjIW081611@pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="aevwyz7tynjkpmnv" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <201712111451.vBBEpjIW081611@pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net> User-Agent: NeoMutt/20171027 X-BeenThere: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion related to FreeBSD architecture List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2017 20:09:43 -0000 --aevwyz7tynjkpmnv Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > That's not really the question. The question is "why won't 'pkg install > sendmail' work for users that need it?" There are two technical reasons f= or > why a component is in base and two emotional / political. There's also a workflow issue. Receiving feedback from systems via email messages is quaint (albeit convenient for low numbers of systems). It's on= ly has value for administrators who have a process setup that lets them consume this information or use the information as an audit log (??!!??). If someo= ne has opted into this style of workflow, they're going to drop something off = in sendmail.cf or whatever their MDA config file happens to be. +1 for deprecating this from base and giving people the choice to `pkg inst= all sendmail`. For everyone else deploying large numbers of systems, this is tedious to rip out and yet-another-thing to explain as a requirement when operationalizing FreeBSD for production workloads. -sc --=20 Sean Chittenden --aevwyz7tynjkpmnv Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iF0EARECAB0WIQTRIj1cp7k0J1oEx9ROvJ3BbC5eFgUCWi7jqgAKCRBOvJ3BbC5e Fil0AKCCzq3yXVNzAOpKigJLNx7QHL34GwCfUpcij3x7CzPXP5VLht/T7Ilsdt4= =ZkWP -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --aevwyz7tynjkpmnv--