From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 20 07:42:02 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38617315 for ; Tue, 20 Nov 2012 07:42:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E44148FC08 for ; Tue, 20 Nov 2012 07:42:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-8-72.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.8.72]) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id C858D3CC07; Tue, 20 Nov 2012 08:42:00 +0100 (CET) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id qAK7g1O2002287; Tue, 20 Nov 2012 08:42:01 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2012 08:42:01 +0100 From: Polytropon To: Gary Kline Subject: Re: Anybody use the Dell 3010?? Message-Id: <20121120084201.90677174.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20121120073515.GA18251@ethic.thought.org> References: <20121118085838.GA7267@ethic.thought.org> <50AA00BA.1040007@bnrlabs.com> <20121119114306.ff21baa9.freebsd@edvax.de> <20121119060029.76b85120@scorpio> <20121119121832.de248106.freebsd@edvax.de> <20121119212752.GB3936@ethic.thought.org> <20121120074645.8a1fc327.freebsd@edvax.de> <20121120073515.GA18251@ethic.thought.org> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2012 07:42:02 -0000 On Mon, 19 Nov 2012 23:35:15 -0800, Gary Kline wrote: > On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 07:46:45AM +0100, Polytropon wrote: > > On Mon, 19 Nov 2012 13:27:52 -0800, Gary Kline wrote: > > > answer me this, daniel or anybody else:: isn't there a very small > > > group who is devoted to creating a 100% open/free hardware and > > > software? maybe 64-bit only to start? most of us who are still > > > alive and contributing *something* might be interested in this. > > > > Even though it's not x86, this might be interesting as it > > is _really_ open: > > > yeah, but I NEED x86.... In this case, I think there are no really free technical concepts or projects - too much lawyer blah and patents of swinging on a swing. :-( However, paying attention _what_ to buy can save from a lot of troubles; "read prior to buying" is well invested time if you want your devices to be compliant to existing standards and will therefor be compatible to FreeBSD. This usually applies to printers, wireless networking gear, and USB shenanigans. With FreeBSD development on ARM, there might be future "niche markets" where non-x86 hardware will be more popular even for today's "normal PC use". Electrical energy is becoming more expensive, and the "throwaway mentality" is growing stronger (cf. Jevons paradox), so cheaper devices, usually created in the "ARM realm" could become a significant factor. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ...