From owner-freebsd-x11@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jul 4 23:28:46 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: x11@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E2FED7A4; Fri, 4 Jul 2014 23:28:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-pa0-x230.google.com (mail-pa0-x230.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400e:c03::230]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B12942DD8; Fri, 4 Jul 2014 23:28:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-pa0-f48.google.com with SMTP id et14so2498086pad.35 for ; Fri, 04 Jul 2014 16:28:46 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject :from:to:cc:content-type; bh=osbN67mN+vYs9+oW8Rf6T5cM4kA5DB9ArhtsxZln0Tw=; b=Xh5G7P3wLSZxYONJffYQf9hTnD9VUX8thDFimTzvhRa8BD5lL7u60NiR7L+ZuyXNLH vrdOXXbon/KCSlHGh52QHp7MVwJLPIH3t9AApWti7mhCNswaGDBKLbmqNji0HW2w9GvM /hBY/CBfAGv3XwCHhyKTgSZMCwB5BPHEupQsiLvljg0dhhrAgNzhQhBCyuZZjh0UWOLP 471bhwG/YR6ohhM8CyJ2avbRzoCgbuW9TbUTGL1dS5xKFs452LB4mJ9HeYmwpSsCZah2 CuTm+47SoqCxYuFH1znkWEQAHoEuyU5/9SqA2VWC0+wDKonak31BnSz+tlQLDD8AnV9Q KDKA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.68.129.164 with SMTP id nx4mr13609277pbb.16.1404516526234; Fri, 04 Jul 2014 16:28:46 -0700 (PDT) Sender: kob6558@gmail.com Received: by 10.66.134.4 with HTTP; Fri, 4 Jul 2014 16:28:46 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <53B735A6.7090803@astart.com> References: <53B6D2CE.1090604@astart.com> <53B6FA75.6020302@astart.com> <53B71B56.5070009@rainbow-runner.nl> <53B735A6.7090803@astart.com> Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2014 16:28:46 -0700 X-Google-Sender-Auth: mtGULn-KTh-eHm3c6Dv9JFok4_M Message-ID: Subject: Re: kde4 packages, WITHOUT_NEW_XORG fails From: Kevin Oberman To: papowell@astart.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.18 Cc: "freebsd-x11@freebsd.org" , FreeBSD Ports ML X-BeenThere: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: X11 on FreeBSD -- maintaining and support List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 04 Jul 2014 23:28:47 -0000 On Fri, Jul 4, 2014 at 4:15 PM, Patrick Powell wrote: > On 07/04/14 14:23, Koop Mast wrote: > [...] > On 4-7-2014 22:49, Kevin Oberman wrote: >> >>> >>> This discussion begs the question of why won't WITH_NEW_XORG work for >>> you? >>> I am aware of some pretty old hardware that simply has no support in >>> recent >>> Xorg servers, but these are pretty old by now. And, as time passes, the >>> bit >>> rot will make more and more things fail with the old code. >>> >>> I am far from an X expert, but a post to x11@ of the failure you see >>> WITH_NEW_XORG including the Xorg.0.log, /etc/make.conf, /etc/src.conf and >>> any Xorg.conf you are using might get things working (and might not). >>> x11@ >>> is a far better place to ask any of the questions about X issues. >>> >>> I should also recommend that, if you have not already tried, move your >>> Xorg.conf aside and let X try to configure itself. It is very rare to >>> require a full configuration these days. Most only need things for added >>> fonts and extra modules. The xorg.conf on my laptop is only about 27 >>> lines >>> long and mostly added fonts. >>> >> ports/UPDATING states: >> 20140218: >> AFFECTS: users of KDE SC 4 >> AUTHOR: kde@FreeBSD.org >> >> KDE SC ports have been updated to 4.12.2. kdeadmin, kdenetwork, kdesdk, >> and kdetoys ports have been split due to upstream changes. >> >> KDE Workspace port has been updated to 4.11.6. It requires modern >> Mesa libraries, provided by WITH_NEW_XORG knob. To update Xorg ports >> to newer version follow instructions at https://wiki.freebsd.org/ >> Graphics >> >> So it not possible anymore to run KDE4 with WITHOUT_NEW_XORG. >> >> -Koop >> >> Ahhh!!! I missed that. > > If this is the case, then perhaps the default for generating the PKGNG > repository should be WITH_NEW_XORG? > Then we could use the PKGNG respository for KDE4 applications. > > OR: we could have two repositories: one which uses WITHOUT_NEW_XORG and > has the old Xorg drivers and no KDE4 support and one with WITH_NEW_XORG > which has the new Xorg drivers and KDE4 support. > > I think I read some discussion about this possibility but I can't recall > the outcome. > Your timing is MOST excellent. Koop just announced those repositories were available a few hours ago. http://docs.freebsd.org/cgi/getmsg.cgi?fetch=306646+0+current/freebsd-announce The repositories cover 9.x and 10.x for i386 and amd64. -- R. Kevin Oberman, Network Engineer, Retired E-mail: rkoberman@gmail.com