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Mon, 08 Jun 2020 22:32:20 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <171506d5-19aa-359e-c21d-f07257c52ebd@freenetMail.de> <20200608051434.ca70e5c5.freebsd@edvax.de> <20200608050415.GA92414@geeks.org> <20200609070119.53265934@archlinux> In-Reply-To: <20200609070119.53265934@archlinux> From: Aryeh Friedman Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2020 01:32:08 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: freebsd vs. netbsd To: Ralf Mardorf Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49gzK21dz0z4crn X-Spamd-Bar: --- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=dhSLrMwy; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of aryehfriedman@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::130 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=aryehfriedman@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.43 / 15.00]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com:dkim]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20161025]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.03)[-1.027]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.01)[-1.006]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::130:from]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.39)[-0.394]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[rocketmail.com]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; TAGGED_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.33 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 09 Jun 2020 05:32:23 -0000 On Tue, Jun 9, 2020 at 1:01 AM Ralf Mardorf via freebsd-questions < freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> wrote: > On Mon, 8 Jun 2020 09:40:28 -0400, Aryeh Friedman wrote: > >On Mon, Jun 8, 2020 at 9:21 AM Valeri Galtse wrote: > >> Disclaimer: majority of systems I have in my list of UNIXes strictly > >> speaking can not be called UNIX, as they do not pay loyalties for > >> that name to AT&T. > > > >Just as with Java your information on the legal status of Unix is > >****WAY OUT OF DATE***** from wikipedia article on Unix (end of second > >paragraph) [you really should stop saying stuff unless you know it to > >be by objective fact to be true]: > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_v._Oracle_America Complete misunderstanding of the issues. The issue here is the copyright on the standard library and *NOT* the language. The court also said that the copyright was for the contents of the library and not it's functionality and/or external signatures (only the internal code). Anyone is allowed to make a work alike that even uses the same external interface as GNU has done in GCC. > > > https://www.zdnet.com/article/linus-torvalds-avoid-oracles-zfs-kernel-code-on-linux-until-litigious-larry-signs-off/ ZFS was originally released open source and anyone can still use it. Oracle relicensed *NEW* versions of it (you're still free to use old versions and give them identical enhancements even to the closed source version provided you used no closed source code). It should be noted that *ANY* open source project can do that with a new version of their project for example (neglecting the political firestorm that would erupt) both Linux and FreeBSD could make their next versions closed source and not a single person can stop them (assuming that they still abide by the licensing requirements of third party subcomponents). So someone saying that they are not willing to use X because it is "no longer open source" is a complete red herring. -- Aryeh M. Friedman, Lead Developer, http://www.PetiteCloud.org