From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Jun 27 07:10:23 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6727C15DC8C3 for ; Thu, 27 Jun 2019 07:10:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@rocketmail.com) Received: from sonic312-27.consmr.mail.ir2.yahoo.com (sonic312-27.consmr.mail.ir2.yahoo.com [77.238.178.98]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D49C4714C8 for ; Thu, 27 Jun 2019 07:10:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@rocketmail.com) X-YMail-OSG: b5Y4QeYVM1kTUxxombcMTS3FMbbSDkuN0_I.yYbux7sva2gIjkyxpPaI._b1x83 VBE2eptZbZRBIN_DFNFbpRv0Sj.aEELkLylobhcGO6.zpLCzsSH8i3d6OyefCsQFu0066gGelJC8 cekX.LJwr0SQ_c0TyUeshkOXwGEDbrqhjuXFqQU08H5hnGmRfe_VnqLkp7QHaVS.WL8RU0oLae_W PfuNW3rJNs3MMrBsqH_5Ij1kyqlmSDvDLCiY5W76Wu57e1qbIj6K_MamLNvxd_4BvjqO.XaLruGF sfai4Cwxd6NpiOg2I33LStuNUfV3MfbqJiE1H6JSq59XHYPKYqZmxcmBiHq9tntsijo5neYO.jIM 6.Aahg9OPBwHT5D1tEdJtD4Dk4OMEkBQtYzZIIFt0971Xo0MZYTDv0GL9q2uKpVzh2_wrUtNMUeP n3pG7SCyWlOm46R5SN3wlaGAh35413QvIs5xYN0l3ibQgTo1d_3Xa65IWMQ4p.6iICFYqJoSozBr Zvb7v5Sje_zgLhqtz_x7xmClW0bzCf3Zr.V59mnHGjlTmBznRgLnLyL2SxYjbPsHpjCzuGatx.q0 OSh3KbuxyCCcPaO78wLqKY2zPdDmx78kjbTSk5_T1GqsEy5EJ7EsJb.M8EleryjbS_k8.lU29WkF mPB3s.GWGlh5BH.EMnT06Gy0jBLB4KtO6AAEY.SCM2Ou_3r_2xIYw6Rf_UeiKksgP7zWK_psu0R. qpRtJFmVi6i2xkpIVVNv789CaMi2zAgU6DxAVXs6QzdihHgFJjjTFh5_fbtDaPGOafg6P1Jmv1uS m2EhPoZTOoueV.iQGmhLPgeBkkFDnbNw.tenNPyxzVGvb4_.0qZi0QDAOIRtLIFKgFOuvlQaVpwC JDk3kI0ETQyb2y7SzXwhZglfoW8xVtEwodavbj7RJ2NeAUZcNtb5VYpRN01L2hILb1zxvGz6vNzu sOQCoOJ45bONUXj2o1BuCm4SjUakqWNXdk2Vp6gxgPyNHjPoOMtGG_2ylqwXH9QFbspoCq7aN91G zDuU_CIx.RqXC_abO1Wb.g4YjuFmBnOWceShwpC2yBfJ1K3Mbu0BTcGtQyUH5TZPhrEq66fz1t1. rn79un8AH1aSZ5glqhCx_7R7eUkyA.t4vK.zVEPI8rAs_pOjnLqe9QstQcKaFaMHexctO5fvTvmv DF3ntYwVZgyZ48zi0ugNIZMZ2Q48vywoDFXZFkvUpoI.gy9IqlX3Zy6SuwJaxqVAmGba67p7owDq j Received: from sonic.gate.mail.ne1.yahoo.com by sonic312.consmr.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with HTTP; Thu, 27 Jun 2019 07:10:14 +0000 Received: from x2f44acb.dyn.telefonica.de (EHLO archlinux) ([2.244.74.203]) by smtp427.mail.ir2.yahoo.com (Oath Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID 052c0151aa826825c899c8fceb272b9c; Thu, 27 Jun 2019 07:10:11 +0000 (UTC) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2019 09:10:12 +0200 From: Ralf Mardorf To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Cc: Polytropon Subject: Re: I've got a major question... Message-ID: <20190627091012.44fc65a7@archlinux> In-Reply-To: <20190627081518.9dc6f3c2.freebsd@edvax.de> References: <20190626063443.51ad3f1b.freebsd@edvax.de> <20190627081518.9dc6f3c2.freebsd@edvax.de> X-Mailer: Claws Mail (linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: D49C4714C8 X-Spamd-Bar: + X-Spamd-Result: default: False [1.25 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; XM_UA_NO_VERSION(0.01)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ptr:yahoo.com]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[rocketmail.com]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[mta6.am0.yahoodns.net, mta5.am0.yahoodns.net, mta7.am0.yahoodns.net, mta6.am0.yahoodns.net, mta5.am0.yahoodns.net, mta7.am0.yahoodns.net, mta6.am0.yahoodns.net, mta5.am0.yahoodns.net, mta7.am0.yahoodns.net, mta6.am0.yahoodns.net, mta5.am0.yahoodns.net, mta7.am0.yahoodns.net, mta6.am0.yahoodns.net, mta5.am0.yahoodns.net, mta7.am0.yahoodns.net, mta6.am0.yahoodns.net, mta5.am0.yahoodns.net, mta7.am0.yahoodns.net, mta6.am0.yahoodns.net, mta5.am0.yahoodns.net, mta7.am0.yahoodns.net, mta6.am0.yahoodns.net, mta5.am0.yahoodns.net, mta7.am0.yahoodns.net, mta6.am0.yahoodns.net, mta5.am0.yahoodns.net, mta7.am0.yahoodns.net, mta6.am0.yahoodns.net, mta5.am0.yahoodns.net, mta7.am0.yahoodns.net, mta6.am0.yahoodns.net, mta5.am0.yahoodns.net, mta7.am0.yahoodns.net, mta6.am0.yahoodns.net, mta5.am0.yahoodns.net, mta7.am0.yahoodns.net, mta6.am0.yahoodns.net, mta5.am0.yahoodns.net, mta7.am0.yahoodns.net, mta6.am0.yahoodns.net, mta5.am0.yahoodns.net, mta7.am0.yahoodns.net, mta6.am0.yahoodns.net, mta5.am0.yahoodns.net, mta7.am0.yaho odns.net,mta6.am0.yahoodns.net,mta5.am0.yahoodns.net,mta7.am0.yahoodns.net,mta6.am0.yahoodns.net,mta5.am0.yahoodns.net,mta7.am0.yahoodns.net,mta6.am0.yahoodns.net,mta5.am0.yahoodns.net,mta7.am0.yahoodns.net,mta6.am0.yahoodns.net,mta5.am0.yahoodns.net,mta7.am0.yahoodns.net,mta6.am0.yahoodns.net,mta5.am0.yahoodns.net,mta7.am0.yahoodns.net,mta6.am0.yahoodns.net,mta5.am0.yahoodns.net,mta7.am0.yahoodns.net,mta6.am0.yahoodns.net,mta5.am0.yahoodns.net,mta7.am0.yahoodns.net]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[rocketmail.com:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[rocketmail.com,reject]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[203.74.244.2.zen.spamhaus.org : 127.0.0.10]; ASN(0.00)[asn:34010, ipnet:77.238.176.0/22, country:GB]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[rocketmail.com]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.20)[-0.203,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[rocketmail.com:s=s2048]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.26)[0.259,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; IP_SCORE(1.27)[ip: (2.15), ipnet: 77.238.176.0/22(2.40), asn: 34010(1.88), country: GB(-0.09)]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(0.42)[0.420,0]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[98.178.238.77.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; MID_RHS_NOT_FQDN(0.50)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2019 07:10:23 -0000 On Thu, 27 Jun 2019 08:15:18 +0200, Polytropon wrote: >I know, this is a very individual point of view and experience, but >as you can see: It _is_ possible, and it starts with the right >decision. :-) Hi, it makes a big difference, if somebody needs to ask for recommendations or not. It makes a difference, if somebody is assuming "probably Canonical/Ubuntu would be a better fit than FreeBSD" or knows if it does or does not. Something to consider regarding Ubuntu support: "Universe The universe component is a snapshot of the free, open-source, and Linux world. It houses almost every piece of open-source software, all built from a range of public sources. Canonical does not provide a guarantee of regular security updates for software in the universe component, but will provide these where they are made available by the community. Users should understand the risk inherent in using these packages. Popular or well supported pieces of software will move from universe into main if they are backed by maintainers willing to meet the standards set by the Ubuntu team." - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories#Universe This is not an issue that affects just one application provided by Ubuntu: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pcmanfm/+bug/1782984 It's an issue that affects all distros and tons of applications. FWIW Ubuntu 16.04 LTS isn't affect, but this old LTS still provides packages that are security risks, at least libwebkitgtk-1.0-0 comes to my mind. I know what I'm talking about: [root@archlinux moonstudio]# lsb_release -a LSB Version: 1.4 Distributor ID: Arch Description: Arch Linux Release: rolling Codename: n/a [root@archlinux moonstudio]# systemd-nspawn -q lsb_release -a LSB Version: core-9.20160110ubuntu0.2-amd64:core-9.20160110ubuntu0.2-noarch:security-9.20160110ubuntu0.2-amd64:security-9.20160110ubuntu0.2-noarch Distributor ID: Ubuntu Description: Ubuntu 16.04.6 LTS Release: 16.04 Codename: xenial There's no paper shop without magazines promoting Linux container approaches as the ultimate solution for everything. Take, for example, Ubuntu's snap thingy. Due to the container approach some software might be unable to provide full functionality, since access to software outside the container could be tricky, even impossible. I'm absolutely pro Linux, FreeBSD and anything FLOSS for desktop computers, but to get work done, I'm using a proprietary product named after a fruit, too and I at least need to run wine-staging on Linux, too. Wine isn't without pitfalls. Assuming a company gets work done on proprietary operating systems, then ensure that migrating to FreeBSD or a Linux distro does provide what is needed and that the software worked in the past, at the moment and doesn't have dependencies against phase-out model libraries. Choosing a Linux distro is not easy to do and depends much on the target. Regards, Ralf