From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Nov 13 05:25:26 2004 Return-Path: <owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG> Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from green.homeunix.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93FC916A4CE for <freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org>; Sat, 13 Nov 2004 05:25:26 +0000 (GMT) Received: from green.homeunix.org (green@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by green.homeunix.org (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iAD5PQiU034269 for <freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org>; Sat, 13 Nov 2004 00:25:26 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from green@green.homeunix.org) Received: (from green@localhost) by green.homeunix.org (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id iAD5PPWN034268 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Sat, 13 Nov 2004 00:25:25 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from green) Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 00:25:25 -0500 From: Brian Fundakowski Feldman <green@freebsd.org> To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20041113052525.GE997@green.homeunix.org> References: <41940880.7070409@corserv.com> <20041112023023.GG19417@silverwraith.com> <20041112031122.GA87071@falcon.midgard.homeip.net> <20041112055543.GH19417@silverwraith.com> <20041112184710.GA1594@dragon.nuxi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20041112184710.GA1594@dragon.nuxi.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6i Subject: Re: tcsh fix X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD <freebsd-hackers.freebsd.org> List-Unsubscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers>, <mailto:freebsd-hackers-request@freebsd.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-hackers> List-Post: <mailto:freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org> List-Help: <mailto:freebsd-hackers-request@freebsd.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers>, <mailto:freebsd-hackers-request@freebsd.org?subject=subscribe> X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 05:25:27 -0000 On Fri, Nov 12, 2004 at 10:47:10AM -0800, David O'Brien wrote: > On Thu, Nov 11, 2004 at 09:55:43PM -0800, Avleen Vig wrote: > > On Fri, Nov 12, 2004 at 04:11:22AM +0100, Erik Trulsson wrote: > > > Personally I am of the opinion that csh (all versions) should be > > > removed completely from the base system and relegated entirely to the > > > ports system. Other than historical reasons there is not much point in > > > having it in the base system. > > > > I strongly disagree. csh and sh should be 'pure' versions. That is to > > say, no matter what shell is actually being called as sh or csh, it > > should provide a 100% compatible version, no differences, no "upgrades". > > This is to provide compatibility whn working with multiple versions of > > Unix. > > What is a pure 'csh'?? Please answer in detail. Have you ever looked at > the source code for 4.3BSD 'csh'? What about 'tcsh' source code? Hint, > Christos Zoulas had at CSRG login and was maintaining and enhancing BSD > 'csh'. The 4.4BSD 'csh' was Zoulas's work. 'tcsh' is simply the > continued evolution of BSD 'csh'. > > So do you want the original Bill Joy 'csh' from 3BSD?? > Do you want the 'csh' that originally appeared in System 3 (or was it > V)?? Do you wan the 4.4BSD-Lite2 'csh' (ie, the last from CSRG)?? > THERE IS NO STANDARD 'csh'. POSIX doesn't even try to standardize it. > > 'csh' is an interactive shell, not a programming language. Anyone trying > to write "portable" scripts in 'csh' should know why "Csh Programming > Considered Harmful" http://www.faqs.org/faqs/unix-faq/shell/csh-whynot/ How dare you interject reason into this flamewar! -- Brian Fundakowski Feldman \'[ FreeBSD ]''''''''''\ <> green@FreeBSD.org \ The Power to Serve! \ Opinions expressed are my own. \,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,\