From owner-freebsd-questions Mon Mar 17 4:20:16 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 626C937B401 for ; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 04:20:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from mta05-svc.ntlworld.com (mta05-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.45]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3674F43F85 for ; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 04:20:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from scott@fishballoon.org) Received: from fishballoon.org ([81.104.195.199]) by mta05-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.37 201-229-121-137-20020806) with ESMTP id <20030317122011.RUSX310.mta05-svc.ntlworld.com@fishballoon.org>; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 12:20:11 +0000 Received: from tuatara.fishballoon.org (tuatara [192.168.1.6]) by fishballoon.org (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h2HCJW9A051009; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 12:19:32 GMT (envelope-from scott@tuatara.fishballoon.org) Received: (from scott@localhost) by tuatara.fishballoon.org (8.12.7/8.12.6/Submit) id h2HCJWRH024223; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 12:19:32 GMT (envelope-from scott) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 12:19:32 +0000 From: Scott Mitchell To: Vallo Kallaste Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Strange crash, possibly vinum-related Message-ID: <20030317121932.GA23991@tuatara.fishballoon.org> References: <20030310231532.GD522@tuatara.fishballoon.org> <20030317105828.GA23237@tuatara.fishballoon.org> <20030317115752.GA2250@kevad.internal> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20030317115752.GA2250@kevad.internal> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.8-PRERELEASE i386 Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, Mar 17, 2003 at 01:57:52PM +0200, Vallo Kallaste wrote: > On Mon, Mar 17, 2003 at 10:58:28AM +0000, Scott Mitchell > wrote: > > > No takers? Maybe someone who's done this (replacing a failed Vinum drive > > on hot-swap SCSI hardware) before can at least tell me whether: > > > > - I should have done some camcontrol magic before rebuilding the drive? > > - Rebuilding the drive without unmounting the volume first was just > > asking for trouble? > > - -hackers or even -stable is a better venue for this kind of problem? > > What you want to hear? I'll advise you to not put critical data on the > Vinum R5 volume. You did test this configuration thoroughly before > putting online, did you? All this failing/replacing/rebuilding > stuff? Better quiesce the volume (umount it) before rebuilding, > doing otherwise causes data loss in my experience. You should use > camcontrol when doing hot-swapping of drives. For the end, collect > the debug information Greg Lehey (Vinum author) needs and submit it > directly to him. Thanks -- you've confirmed what I suspected, that I could have avoided the problems I saw by being a bit more cautious. My bad. Out of interest though, why do you advise not putting critical data on a Vinum R5 volume? This one has been running fine for ~2 years under reasonable loads. The disk failure was the first time it's required any attention at all, and it seems the problems I had with that were mostly of my own making. The mailing lists don't seem to be overrun with people complaining that 'Vinum ate my files' :-) Cheers, Scott -- =========================================================================== Scott Mitchell | PGP Key ID | "Eagles may soar, but weasels Cambridge, England | 0x54B171B9 | don't get sucked into jet engines" scott at fishballoon.org | 0xAA775B8B | -- Anon To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message