From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Dec 17 21:45:29 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from rwcrmhc52.attbi.com (rwcrmhc52.attbi.com [216.148.227.88]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7471137B41D for ; Mon, 17 Dec 2001 21:45:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from bmah.dyndns.org ([12.233.149.189]) by rwcrmhc52.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20011218054514.FSYD403.rwcrmhc52.attbi.com@bmah.dyndns.org>; Tue, 18 Dec 2001 05:45:14 +0000 Received: (from bmah@localhost) by bmah.dyndns.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id fBI5jEO16051; Mon, 17 Dec 2001 21:45:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bmah) Message-Id: <200112180545.fBI5jEO16051@bmah.dyndns.org> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.5 07/13/2001 with nmh-1.0.4 To: "Mike Meyer" Cc: Terry Lambert , FreeBSD Chat Subject: Re: Early desktop history (Was: Re: UNIX on the Desktop) In-Reply-To: <15390.50212.447906.685469@guru.mired.org> References: <20011216112759.U16958-100000@localhost> <002f01c1866e$1e4d9510$0a00000a@atkielski.com> <3C1DB7EB.9232204A@mindspring.com> <15390.41026.585546.798659@guru.mired.org> <3C1EC075.C4ECA2FF@mindspring.com> <15390.50212.447906.685469@guru.mired.org> Comments: In-reply-to "Mike Meyer" message dated "Mon, 17 Dec 2001 22:20:52 -0600." From: bmah@acm.org (Bruce A. Mah) Reply-To: bmah@acm.org X-Face: g~c`.{#4q0"(V*b#g[i~rXgm*w;:nMfz%_RZLma)UgGN&=j`5vXoU^@n5v4:OO)c["!w)nD/!!~e4Sj7LiT'6*wZ83454H""lb{CC%T37O!!'S$S&D}sem7I[A 2V%N&+ X-Image-Url: http://www.employees.org/~bmah/Images/bmah-cisco-small.gif X-Url: http://www.employees.org/~bmah/ Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="==_Exmh_-2019306734P"; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 21:45:14 -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --==_Exmh_-2019306734P Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii If memory serves me right, "Mike Meyer" wrote: > Terry Lambert types: > > Mike Meyer wrote: > > > I'm pretty sure the first spread sheet was visicalc, and it ran on the > > > Apple ][. In any case, spreadsheets, word processors, databases, > > > etc. were all available for the Apple ][, the TRS-80 Model I, Flex, > > > and various other 8-bit systems that were available at the time. I thought I knew all the early 1980s 8-bit machines...what's a Flex? > > I definitely ran my copy on the KayPro2, which was a decidedly > > CP/M machine. > > Possibly I should have said "first ran on the Apple ][". We sold a few > of them just with that before it was available on CP/M. > > > The TRS-80 model I was Z80 based, meaning that it > > was also a CP/M machine. > > The TRS-80 Model I ran TRS-DOS by default. It had ROM at location 0, > so you couldn't run stock CP/M on a stock Model I. [snip] This discussion reminds me of my mutant Apple ][ Plus, which had a 6 MHz Z-80 coprocessor thrown in it, in addition to the standard 6502. It could run VisiCalc ("16 sector" version), plus a bunch of CP/M applications like WordStar. Sure was a lot of fun trying to run CP/M without hardware lowercase (anyone remember the ol' "shift key mod"?). Bruce. --==_Exmh_-2019306734P Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (FreeBSD) Comment: Exmh version 2.3.1+ 05/14/2001 iD8DBQE8Htfq2MoxcVugUsMRAoX3AJ4gq6YCc5K2Tm4vgKz4qCHwsE2zJwCdEmMO 8lPu6hA2sXLbx2E+ZfwS2j4= =9AGs -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --==_Exmh_-2019306734P-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message