From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Mar 29 19: 4:24 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mta3.rcsntx.swbell.net (mta3.rcsntx.swbell.net [151.164.30.27]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1796737B5EB for ; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 19:04:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from noslenj@swbell.net) Received: from acp.swbell.net ([209.184.1.212]) by mta3.rcsntx.swbell.net (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.2000.01.05.12.18.p9) with ESMTP id <0FS700GFOSHEC1@mta3.rcsntx.swbell.net> for freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 21:03:20 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (noslenj@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by acp.swbell.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA01012; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 19:03:47 -0600 (CST envelope-from noslenj@swbell.net) Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 19:03:47 -0600 (CST) From: Jay Nelson Subject: Re: Guns and freedom [Was: Re: On "intelligent people" and In-reply-to: <200003291936.MAA23741@usr05.primenet.com> To: Terry Lambert Cc: cjclark@home.com, Brad Knowles , Mark Ovens , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 29 Mar 2000, Terry Lambert wrote: [snip] >Returning to the kick, it is the momentum imparted to the gun >relative to the inertia of the hand holding it that results in >the trigger being pulled and causing an unintended-by-the-wielder >gun discharge. For this to occur, the gun has to be significantly >displaced, generally so much so that it can not possibly be pointed >at the originally threatened person when it discharges. In this case, the discharge is a "fortune of war" rather than an accident -- but you're absolutely right -- in that situation, the most likely reason for the discharge would be your opponent's muscle reaction to the kick. But by the time the reaction forces the trigger pull, your opponents grip is dislodged -- which means the muzzle will rise 2 to 6 inches before the bullet leaves the muzzle. >The knife, if firmly held, cuts the hell out of your foot, which >has the aditional negative effect of making it harder to run >away, even if you succeed in kicking it out of the assailents >hands. I think you're making a convincing argument that we should ban knives instead of guns:) >> The few times I have been in that situation, here in the States, it >> was a knife they pulled. I would have preferred they pulled a gun; they >> would have been easier to disarm with less risk. But, they don't show >> that in the movies, either. > >Agreed. > >It's also a fact that most handgun echanges take place at close >range, without anyone getting hit for an insanely large number >of rounds fired. That's isn't very exciting to watch in a >theater, either, since you are really waiting for Mel Gibson >to shoot the thugs in a subplot, and then get back onto the >main story line... Wouldn't it be nice if real life was more like the movies? -- Jay To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message