From owner-freebsd-arch@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Sep 16 20:08:28 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: arch@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29F79106566B for ; Sun, 16 Sep 2012 20:08:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lists@eitanadler.com) Received: from mail-pb0-f54.google.com (mail-pb0-f54.google.com [209.85.160.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AAFEC8FC0A for ; Sun, 16 Sep 2012 20:08:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: by pbbrp2 with SMTP id rp2so8738404pbb.13 for ; Sun, 16 Sep 2012 13:08:27 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=eitanadler.com; s=0xdeadbeef; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type; bh=4kgAxsfhqpnMxxykSufwH52vqBT+xocjK46JzbEMefA=; b=LRM08eUkEfmP2Vo7+p8fH8cYxf8njbxi18gnKa7XOCNcjQvlEmHfr2GbgL2DXslR1J KOGDAgdvrB2p8Ib8AWxkPk2ljrQgNQVfGsv9Kk8xfcb0sCiUOayX1AHLpcj62npmz20d hr0y+BMRjnYwDTOnTGuWfmYR5J3qOTddtKeR8= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type:x-gm-message-state; bh=4kgAxsfhqpnMxxykSufwH52vqBT+xocjK46JzbEMefA=; b=NKzfiWfVfqaW3rjlaVOnliP6ykseyhEi+TTGLNRWuRftm2YIhlhWmBzx17rObotkxj waEJP0PgA6qjlKeuyLlYfCll0w6pT5dsfrwlemfurbtK/xx8GBXNDaqF8nVtEr7QN5L5 44mSwBYnu5LoISHax9vTP8iGEhOztrQqemGJfFmZBNVYvh08dvITdPtR0HRHWIeHbOHq W8pHNi6zHhKHVYpj4owy0SVRHiRuJhuA6fkEwce9wywT84jguzyibs9gj0Esut9qDtv/ 80tXmcXwnaeifuG1P4gtmxyk9jM/vJN9MjMVB7+VfDATmksR5MdWDxdkXF8gKtty3CRd 50uw== Received: by 10.68.130.65 with SMTP id oc1mr17904016pbb.29.1347826107276; Sun, 16 Sep 2012 13:08:27 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.66.87.41 with HTTP; Sun, 16 Sep 2012 13:07:56 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <20120916053523.GJ37286@deviant.kiev.zoral.com.ua> <51B48339-D1FA-49CD-B582-1C58855B024E@bsdimp.com> From: Eitan Adler Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2012 16:07:56 -0400 Message-ID: To: Adrian Chadd Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQkGPusuDzPvlKt9yJA8xllZVLjW6GX85RGHfqX2B3ko/+aN/cbw/tcSJ1p7QeIyCZVVjMfO Cc: Konstantin Belousov , arch@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Fallout from the CVS discussion X-BeenThere: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion related to FreeBSD architecture List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2012 20:08:28 -0000 On 16 September 2012 15:53, Adrian Chadd wrote: > * I'd like to first see a roadmap for doing this - eg, "we're adding a > NO_CVS option; CVS will become a port, you can migrate to the CVS port > with your next build/installworld"; We have WITHOUT_CVS . > * if you're that way inclined, backport the NO_CVS option (if it > doesn't exist) to -9; Already done. > * Ensure all of the stuff that uses CVS is migrated beforehand, and > publish all of that effort somewhere; This is part of my plan. > * Make sure you're doing it for reasons that aren't coming across as > "GPL free! at all costs!" This has nothing to do with the reasons I proposed to remove CVS. Please re-read my original email. The first words were "CVS is obsolete." I had *no idea* CVS was GPLed until the thread started (I thought were using a BSD licensed one). > Now, to stir up trouble, I hereby suggest that if you're going to > remove CVS because it's no longer used for FreeBSD's project stuff, we > should obviously import subversion into the base because _it_ is being > used for the FreeBSD project stuff. Please re-read the original thread. I am removing CVS because it is obsolete. CVS being used for FreeBSD project was merely a key blocker to its removal. > Think of why you're not doing that > (likely because it's already a port/package and there's just as much > inertia to introduce something to the base system as there is removing > it and making it a port) and see if that helps refocus your reasons > for and against doing things. I am not proposing introducing subversion into base because I am not willing to do the work to maintain it. If I were, that would be a different story (imho, the base should have sufficient software to download and compile itself). -- Eitan Adler