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Date:      Mon, 31 Aug 1998 18:23:22 -0700
From:      Jamie Lawrence <jal@ThirdAge.com>
To:        Greg Lehey <grog@lemis.com>
Cc:        "Donald P. Dahlman" <druid@eoe-magical.org>, freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: PGP question
Message-ID:  <3.0.5.32.19980831182322.00c18d30@204.74.82.151>
In-Reply-To: <19980831121012.R606@freebie.lemis.com>
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At 12:10 PM 8/31/98 +0930, you wrote:
>[Format autorecovered at freebie.lemis.com]
>
>On Sunday, 30 August 1998 at 21:17:06 +0100, Donald P. Dahlman wrote:
>> Greg Lehey wrote:
>>
>>> On Sunday, 30 August 1998 at 19:51:10 +0100, Donald P. Dahlman wrote:
>>>>>>>> when an  encrypted message is retrieved, is there an
>>>>>>>> automated way to have it un-encrypted automatically when it is
>>>>>>>> retrieved from the server.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Depends on what kind of message, and what you mean by "server".  If
>>>>>>> you're talking about mail messages, mutt will do this for you
>>>>>>> automatically.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I collect me mail with my NT machine, using netscape, how would mutt
>>>>>> handle this as it would need to be converted when downloaded for reading.
>>>>>
>>>>> If by "collect" you mean downloading with POP, you need a program like
>>>>> qpopper to do that.  But the real way is to use sendmail.
>>>>>
>>>>> In any case, if you use mutt, you don't use Netscape or NT.  See
>>>>> http://www.lemis.com/email.html for more details.
>>>
>>> I wish you wouldn't remove the context.  It's only a coincidence that
>>> I know what the message is about like that.  I've restored it above,
>>> hopefully correctly.
>>>
>>>> I have my own server.  I have sendmail running,
>>>
>>> What do you mean by "collect", then?
>>>
>>>> and have PGP installed to encrypt mail sent to me from html
>>>> forms. In its raw form, the email is collected, then I run pgp in a
>>>> command line to decrypt it, want it to be done automaticaly when I
>>>> open or download the mail.
>>>
>>> What do you mean by "download"?
>>>
>>> In any case, if you use mutt, it'll be done automatically.
>>
>> so you are saying that if I install mutt on my unix server, then
>> when I retrieve my email using Netscape under NT, instead of getting
>> the encrypted ascii data, it will decrypt it and present me with the
>> notmal text.
>
>No.  I'm saying use FreeBSD and mutt, not NT and Netscape.  I don't
>use Microsoft, and I'm not qualified to tell you how you can do things
>with Microsoft (if it's even possible).  I'm also saying I don't
>understand what you're saying, and I asked a number of questions.  You
>might also like to compare chapter 30 of "The Complete FreeBSD",
>second edition (http://www.cdrom.com/titles/os/bsdbook2.htm).

I belive that Donald is asking how to automate PGP decryption under
FreeBSD, probably as the messages are locally delivered, with the
end result being decrypted messages sitting in his spool such that
when he uses Netscape under NT, the messages are cleartext without
any further intervention.

It sounds to me like he needs to install procmail and/or pipe through
a shell script that has his PGP password embedded in it. Which, of
course, reduces the value of PGP to providing only transmission
security, and exposes his password (and thus PGP identity) to anyone
who can gain access to the script doing the work.

The other issue, unaddressed, is that it almost sounds like Donald is
hosting the web site with the mailto form that encrypts on the same
machine that the messages are being delivered to, which would make
encrypting them in the first place a silly thing to do, but I could
be misunderstanding here.

-j

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