From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Sep 15 02:03:04 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CEA716A4BF for ; Mon, 15 Sep 2003 02:03:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rambo.401.cx (rambo.401.cx [80.65.205.166]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6C9943FE5 for ; Mon, 15 Sep 2003 02:03:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from listsub@401.cx) Received: from 401.cx (malin.twenty4help.se [195.67.108.195]) by rambo.401.cx (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h8F931cx053434; Mon, 15 Sep 2003 11:03:01 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from listsub@401.cx) Message-ID: <3F658048.5060304@401.cx> Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 11:03:04 +0200 From: "Roger 'Rocky' Vetterberg" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.5b) Gecko/20030723 Thunderbird/0.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Randi Harper References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: FreeBSD Advocacy Subject: Re: FreeBSD Revamped Look 'n' feel: Feedback appreciated! X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 09:03:04 -0000 Randi Harper wrote: > On Monday, September 15, 2003, at 04:25 AM, Roger 'Rocky' Vetterberg > wrote: > >> Randi Harper wrote: >> >>> Just my 2 cents, but I love the site the way it is. It only takes me >>> 10 seconds to find whatever I'm looking for. People that judge >>> FreeBSD by it's website, well, they can go back to their flash and >>> glam Microsoft or RedHat sites. As far as I can tell, those people >>> are going to be the ones that ask questions on the questions@ mailing >>> lists without looking at the documentation first. That's about the >>> level of stupidity and laziness involved. >>> Randi Harper >>> sektie@freebsdgirl.com >>> http://freebsdgirl.com >> >> >> I have used BSD for over 6 years, I have done hundreds of >> installations, I manage a lot of mission critical BSD systems and I >> frequently *answer* questions on the questions@ mailinglist. >> Still, I have several times been forced to revert to linux or even >> windows based solutions, simply because I was not able to impress the >> corporate suits enough to make them choose BSD. If you have ever been >> up against the commercial powers of linux or m$, you would know that >> the freebsd.org website will probably set you back several points >> instead of helping you promote your beliefs. >> >> Agreed, a lot of the people we scare away are probably the lazy and >> stupid ones you describe, but keep in mind that they are not the only >> one that gets scared away. Corporate suits are often very easily >> convinced by nice layouts and a flashy first impression, and after all >> they are the ones making the big decisions. >> >> -- >> R > > I disagree. I work for one of the larger web-hosting companies out > there, and we have a large number of FreeBSD solutions. I've only worked > at one company that didn't use FreeBSD, and they were a small startup > that dealt a lot with java (3 years ago). I'm not going to say "if your > company doesn't like FreeBSD's website, find a new job", because I know > how few and far between good jobs are, but the website isn't the end all > for presenting a new solution. I suggest pie charts, or things that > blink. :) > > Good lord, I just used the word "solution" twice in one paragraph. Maybe > I do belong with the suits. > > > Randi Harper > > sektie@freebsdgirl.com > http://freebsdgirl.com I work for one of the largest callcenter companys in Europe, and we do have a significant number of FreeBSD installations. Still, I cant help feeling we would rely more on FreeBSD if it just had a more proffesional image. Pie charts and blinking things only goes that far, being able to show a good looking website would help alot, especially when youre up against Red Hat or SuSe. And honestly, FreeBSD have a lot of advantages to show, the only problem is that we do not use them as effectively as we could. -- R