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From: Ian Smith <smithi@nimnet.asn.au>
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Subject: Re: ath (AR9280) with nanoBSD (fwd)
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Sorry Felix, didn't notice you hadn't cc'd the list .. hoping you don't 
mind if I do, might save someone else from responding .. cheers, Ian

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Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2016 20:52:43 +1000 (EST)
From: Ian Smith <smithi@nimnet.asn.au>
To: Felix Friedlander <felixphew0@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: ath (AR9280) with nanoBSD

On Thu, 30 Jun 2016 20:28:54 +1000, Felix Friedlander wrote:
 > > On 30 Jun 2016, at 19:12, Ian Smith <smithi@nimnet.asn.au> wrote:
 > > 
 > > On Wed, 29 Jun 2016 11:51:40 -0700, Adrian Chadd wrote:
 > > 
 > >> Hi,
 > >> 
 > >> It's there, it just doesn't show up in ifconfig anymore.
 > >> 
 > >> sysctl net.wlan.devices
 > >> 
 > >> if you create the interface (ifconfig wlan0 create wlandev ath0) then
 > >> it'll show up!
 > > 
 > > Just curious .. why was it considered a good idea not to have ifconfig 
 > > show wireless interfaces?  Won't this make for ongoing such confusion?
 > 
 > As I understand it, it was to avoid duplication. You have to create a 
 > wlanN interface to use a wireless device, so you would end up with 
 > both athN and wlanN. Now ath (and every other wireless driver) don˙˙t 
 > directly appear in ifconfig, you only have one interface.

Ah, that sounds fair enough.  I expect there'll be something in 11.0 
release notes about that.

 > I believe there is a sysctl to list the hardware devices if you want.

I guess that might be net.wlan.devices :)

Ok, sorry for the side-track ..

cheers, Ian